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Pattaya's Wet Pussy Problems: When a Bar's Ceiling Starts Leaking (Part 1)
The veil is lifted on Pattaya's notorious nightlife as we welcome two fascinating guests to share their unfiltered perspectives from opposite sides of the bar industry.
Meet Fem, a 19-year-old ladyboy with just over a year in Pattaya who candidly discusses her initial shock at bar expectations and her growing online cam show business. With remarkable self-awareness, this shy, introverted performer explains how she's navigating this dual career path and saving for independence while dealing with the realities of her chosen profession.
When Ellie joins the conversation, we're treated to a rare perspective from someone who entered bar management directly from the corporate world. Following heartbreak, this articulate businesswoman now manages "Wet Pussy Bar" (yes, really) and shares fascinating insights on staff recruitment, bar operations, and how she specifically targets women from different Thai regions based on their appeal to various customer demographics.
The discussion expands into a revealing analysis of Pattaya's changing landscape. The once-dominant Western tourist has been supplanted by Malaysian, Chinese, and Indian visitors, forcing businesses to adapt their entire approach. The formerly common "mixed bars" featuring both women and ladyboys now barely exist, with establishments increasingly specializing to survive in this evolving market.
From high-end "throne-seated" cigar lounges charging 50,000 baht per smoke to secret bars requiring special entry codes, we explore how Pattaya's entertainment scene continues to transform while maintaining its infamous reputation. Whether you're curious about Thailand's nightlife or fascinated by the economics and sociology behind this unique industry, this episode offers genuine perspectives from those living it daily.
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Hello everyone and welcome back to my Thai wife podcast. I'm Mike and sadly I'm doing it without two people today, so without my lovely, lovely wife Sunari, and without Pim that is unable to join us today. It was a bit of a weird day today, so many of the guests late and stuff like that, and also we're doing back-to-back recording today, so you might see us with the same shirt, same hats. So we will see. But I have one of the most prettiest guests I had and the youngest actually. We have Fem here. Fem, how are you doing?
Speaker 3:I'm doing good and you.
Speaker 1:I'm always good. How are you enjoying our last night yesterday when we went out and partying? To be honest, so drunk too drunk, really, but you didn't drink too much. No, yeah, you throw up a little bit, but it's okay, it's happened. But we started the night like so I will not say to the listeners where you work, because I don't want everyone come and looking for you, but we started at Yorbar, right, and then we moved to three other bars. Two other bars.
Speaker 3:Three.
Speaker 1:We went to Yorbar. Then we went oh right, there was a party at Mina. Then we went to 69.
Speaker 3:69 bar and then at Mina, then we went to 69 69 bar and then to Cindy's and then we went straight to walking straight, yeah to flex, yeah, you like flex yes, why I like hip-hop?
Speaker 1:just because of your the music, not because they let ladyboy automatically inside.
Speaker 3:No, you not care about this really.
Speaker 1:Normally the places let you inside without a problem yes because they think you are a lady no so why? How come? For you they are not making problem and for someone else yes?
Speaker 1:secret there is a secret, okay, can you let us on the secret so we can help our lady boyfriends to go inside. It's not possible. Yes, maybe after the podcast you can tell me. So I know your story a bit. Okay, we are not going to elaborate the whole thing, right, but you're very, very young. You're 19 years old right now, yes, and you're staying in Pattaya. Since how many years?
Speaker 3:One year and two months.
Speaker 1:So when you'll be 18, you come here, yes, and you start working. Yes, okay, and was it like a big shock for you all, this bar scene and customers and drinking?
Speaker 3:When I was here for the first time, to be honest, I was shocked that why I have to sell sex service.
Speaker 1:Why to have To sell sex?
Speaker 3:service.
Speaker 1:Oh, why you have to sell sex service.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:I asked many ladyboys. They work long time and I ask why we have to kiss the customer, have to talk, have to go outside with them.
Speaker 1:You don't have to do. You can say no, I have period.
Speaker 3:Just ask, just kiss God, I'm due.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:In that time. So then I know I do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but basically you not do it for fun, you do it for money. Yes, at the end of the day you not care about the customer. I mean, you care about them, but not as much as, oh, I like him and I want to have sex with him or kiss him or whatnot you care about. He pay the drinks for you. So you get your commission right. How much the commission in your bar?
Speaker 1:so for every drink, how much you get 50 50 baht for everything that he buy for you, not that he buy for himself, and he paid the bar. Fine, right. And then he pay for you, and this you decide later, right, how, how much he paid for you.
Speaker 3:Normally you're not talking about this in the bar, okay and then you start getting used to it or you still think why you have, why I have to do this. I don't know, I'm alone. Have no money?
Speaker 1:Okay, no, I have no home no family, you're just by yourself, struggling and fighting the world, right, okay. But you are still young and I think, like, okay, I will ask you some kind of personal question. Right, you are saving money for the future, like, if you get, let's say, this month, you make I'm just saying 50 000 baht you save a little bit money, yes, okay, so you're not just spending everything on drinks and partying and food. Well, you're so skinny, I think you don't eat too much, but about everything else you're not spending that much. No, okay, and what? Like? What is your plan for?
Speaker 3:the future. For the future, I have plan to rent a condominium.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:And work.
Speaker 1:You can say everything here.
Speaker 3:I want to work on camshare website, so doing a cam show.
Speaker 1:Yes, still, it's like selling sex, right, but at least you don't have to touch the customers. Okay, and you did it, sex right, but at least you don't have to touch the customers.
Speaker 1:Okay, and you did it before, right? Yes, and I know a bit like how much you did and where you did it, because you explained to me already and it's very interesting. But in the end of this episode, of course, we will tell the listener your website and if they want, they can go to your website and give you some money, but that's up to them and you separated. You start doing it by yourself also, right, and like you think, because have many people that doing cam shows many, many, many, many. What's special about you?
Speaker 3:like what lady boy you?
Speaker 1:are a lady boy, but have many lady boys that do come show also. You think you're the only lady boy in the world that doing come show. No, so when I say what's special, like what you do, different from other people, different like maybe you talk with the guys more on the chat or maybe you do special requests, or I don't know, like, what is special about you, why people want to pay you.
Speaker 3:Of course you're beautiful, but on the cam is like a.
Speaker 1:I'm a shy girl, but when they send money I show everything so you just like have a contrast between oh, I'm so shy, shy, shy and then money naked, naked.
Speaker 3:My character is shy, but when he come he's good. So people on camp think me like shy, have to send some gift or something.
Speaker 1:So why not? You go for the nerdy girl? Why not wear glasses? You know, you know what I mean. Some people like it and you know shy and nerdy sometimes go together. Not my style, Not your style. So what is your style?
Speaker 2:Just like that.
Speaker 1:Regular Okay, and you're still doing this, right, or now you have a break a little bit.
Speaker 3:Still doing.
Speaker 1:Okay, and I know that you told me you have some problem with that website before. Yeah, for some reason they block you.
Speaker 3:Yes, because I send a personal contact to Kazuma.
Speaker 1:So basically you send him your phone number or maybe your email, something that you are not allowed to give them, and then someone reports you or they see it automatically, and then they just block you.
Speaker 3:No, the website check. Oh, the website itself check yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, and how long you've been blocked.
Speaker 3:Only six days.
Speaker 1:Only six days? Oh fuck it, it's nothing.
Speaker 3:Because I sent email to them.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I know how to express yourself.
Speaker 1:Of course, you know how to write. You have to work in the chat. Listen, as many times I spoke, even with Michelle, about this what you do in the camera is the easy part. But then you have to chat in and you have to send message and to promote. This is the hard work, like sitting in front of the camera and just jerk off. This is the easy job. I think so. I'm not doing it myself, but yes, you're right.
Speaker 1:Okay and you're doing any kind of promotion Like do you have Instagram, twitter, like X, whatever, or just this website?
Speaker 3:Instagram only.
Speaker 1:So only Instagram and this website? Yeah, and in the Instagram you also publish about this website. Mm-hmm. Okay, and what do you think? Like you said, your plan is, as you said, to rent a big condominium, right, and then have special room just for this and many cameras, and sometimes you will bring your friends or you want to do it alone I want to do it alone, only alone, no friends.
Speaker 1:Yes, okay, that's interesting and you have like costumes, you change costumes and stuff like that and they are. Sometimes you get requests from really what kind of like interesting, not something weird, just interesting that you get. What interesting request you get before so request mean like they ask you oh, I want you to wear this or do like this from Cuba on my ass.
Speaker 1:I meant about outfit, not about what to do, like this. Like they ask you maybe to wear like nurse or well, no, they're not talking about this. Just they want you to put stuff up your ass. This is the only thing that they care, right? Okay, well, I think you're kind of used to it after working in a bar about a year and a half. And what about the bar? Like, they know you do that, no, so it's a secret. So now everyone will know. Oh, you're a very brave girl for telling them, and so I know also because you do that work. Sometimes you just go to your own bar and just barfing yourself because you don't want to work too much, right? Yes, you don't miss, like the people no I don't mean the customer.
Speaker 1:Like you don't have friends in the bar.
Speaker 3:I have friends in the bar but I don't know Like introvert person.
Speaker 1:You are introvert. Okay, you know, it seems like it. Like yesterday you were there singing and having fun I'm drunk Just because of the drunk, if not, you are actually really a shy girl. So you are not acting as a shy girl in front of the camera. You are a shy girl, right? Not shy so introvert is not like shy just you like to be by yourself.
Speaker 1:That's it okay. And I know that you live above your bar, right, they give you room and they give you some food. Sometime you just go live there and stay in this bar because you have free room, free food. This is the only reason yes okay, they accept foreign also. I can also go live there for free and get food for free no, no.
Speaker 1:I can walk in the bar, I can dance everything. You see me yesterday. They will not take me. No way for me. Okay, I will need to ask your boss. Maybe she will say yes, maybe she likes me.
Speaker 3:No, impossible, impossible.
Speaker 1:Why? Because I'm not a nice person.
Speaker 3:Because you're not young. Who works at a bar?
Speaker 1:Because I'm not a ladyboy. Yeah, okay, and your bar is only ladyboy bar, right?
Speaker 3:No mixed.
Speaker 1:Mixed, but every time we go there I never see ladies over there.
Speaker 3:I have ladies.
Speaker 1:One lady.
Speaker 3:Not one Four.
Speaker 1:Four ladies.
Speaker 3:And how many ladyboys? About 30.
Speaker 1:Okay, so it's not really mixed. It's a ladyboy bar with few ladies and I have actually a good question about this. Lady and ladyboys when they walk together, they can be friends or sometimes have some problems about this.
Speaker 3:Can be friends.
Speaker 1:So normally it's not an issue Like there is no like competition or stuff like that between them.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 1:Okay, because I know there used to be a lot of mixed bars around and I know it's not a thing anymore. It's like maybe sometime you see a girl bar with 12 girls and maybe one lady boy, just for the fun of it, you know. But when I asked them, when I, for example, when I spoke with 69 bar, right, I asked the lady boys over there, like why? Why it's not mixed? They say because lady and lady boy, this is just fake to each other. Ladies are just fake to lady boys. They always, always say oh we like you, you're my friend, blah, blah, blah, but inside they're not. Really, is this true? I?
Speaker 3:don't know.
Speaker 1:You don't know, like your best friends are ladies or ladyboys.
Speaker 3:My best friend is ladyboy.
Speaker 1:Okay, and you have lady friends also. Yes, back home in a bar only in the bar back home.
Speaker 1:You have no one really no oh my god, it's so sad, it is, and I'm sorry to hear that. And like, would you think if you find like a bar that let you work your own thing, like let's say he tell you, oh you have just, you can be like only two, three hours every day and then you can go do your own thing with the cam show, would you still consider walking in the bar or you just sick of it already?
Speaker 1:I don't know you're not thinking about this really okay, because I would think like well, I'm not you right, I'm a different person and for me I do need the company. I like to be around other people. I like to not drinking so much, but I like to be around other people. One second, we have one more guest joining us. If you can give him a microphone, please? Yeah, guys, we have unexpected surprise. Well, kind of expected because how this day went, but we have Michel here. Soon you will be able to see him and hear him, michel how's you doing, brother?
Speaker 1:I'm good, yeah, you can come here, sit next to Fem, okay, okay.
Speaker 2:First say hi.
Speaker 3:How are you doing, brother?
Speaker 2:Yeah, hello, how are?
Speaker 1:you doing All good. She was just explaining about, first of all, her business, her side hustle. You know what I'm talking about. Oh, yeah, the online thing. The online thing, yeah, and how much she don't like the bars actually.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think she make a smart decision because of the….
Speaker 1:We have another guest joining us. Oh, perfect timing.
Speaker 2:Everybody come at the same time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's okay. No, but I think she actually makes a good decision because now she makes more online than she actually makes in the bar, especially now in the low season.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the low season obviously affects. You feel the low season now. You feel like you're making less money.
Speaker 3:Yes, less money Last year. I came here this month also, but it's not quiet like this.
Speaker 2:Hello, how are you?
Speaker 1:doing Everyone. This is Ellie, my friend Ellie, how are you doing? Good, so this is Michel Nice to meet you, and this is Fem. And we were just talking about the lousies season how she can feel the effect of it, because she walk in a bar. It's actually, she told me right now, it's a mixed bar. You knew that, no, so it's a mixed bar. You cannot say the name of the bar, but it's a mixed bar, okay, yesterday there was me woman there had some.
Speaker 2:I only see like the one behind the bar, but I saw all the other ones, like ladyboys or not had oh wow, she said 4 lady.
Speaker 1:Ok, 4 lady and 30 ladyboys. So I thought it's not really a mix. But come on, yeah, yeah, but if they still have a few ladies.
Speaker 2:so it's kind of a mix right, even if it's not equal, but at least they have some, because usually the ladyboy bars have just like ladyboys and maybe behind the bar have like a girl or something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like a cashier yeah cashier or mama's son or whatever right, and if we're talking about cashier, we have Ellie.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, I do quite like all positions in the bar.
Speaker 1:All positions, all positions. I experience all positions. Yeah, but you are not working as a staff, right? No, no, yeah, and would you like to say the name of your bar, or you don't have to?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I don't mind, but the thing is, your boss can say the word, that word.
Speaker 1:You can say whatever you want, Okay so. Fuck cunt asshole.
Speaker 4:So, at first, the bar that I work for is Nympho. It's the same owner, nympho. My two friends own the bar together. Oh okay, first one is Nympho. Yes, and now I'm working on the Wet Pussy.
Speaker 1:Wet Pussy Bar yes, okay, that's good. Same owner? Wait, wait, I want to know. This is like a qualification.
Speaker 4:You have to wear it Well you need to clarify the name of the bar.
Speaker 1:No, no, you don't have to. No, I'm joking.
Speaker 4:But sometimes I just interview customers.
Speaker 1:And how long do you work there?
Speaker 4:We opened last year, August. Ok With the first bar, but we perceive it just opened this month. Oh, only the no we already have the bar.
Speaker 2:So the first one was really good, right, so that's why they decided to open the second one.
Speaker 4:No, it's more like my friend bought like two units oh okay. So we sell the contract to the other people to open the Wet Pussy. And then now we just have a chance to take it back.
Speaker 2:Okay, because it was not running well then.
Speaker 4:Yeah, they don't do so.
Speaker 1:Well, Okay For me it's just funny that she said we sell the contract for someone to open the wet pussy.
Speaker 4:I know it's so funny. The name. We just sell the pussy contract.
Speaker 2:And the previous owner from where they're from. They're foreigners or they're? Thai yeah, they're foreigners From which country they're from the last guy.
Speaker 4:He's kind of like half Russian.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 4:Yeah, the first guy is Austria.
Speaker 1:All right, oh, okay, now I understand why you were so busy the past months. Yeah, because we just start open and have to change many things. You think it's better to open in low seasons than you did now.
Speaker 4:The thing is, I do quite well, so I don't really mind.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because it's O6, right, you still get the traffic over there how many girls working in the bar.
Speaker 4:At the moment. Right now, I have less than 15.
Speaker 2:15,. Okay, but it's a normal unit, right? It's like a typical size of the bus Single unit.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yes, like similar size to this one, but when I first start I have four, four, ladies.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know in the beginning, the body has not been really running well right.
Speaker 4:Yeah, when it has less girls, do you like attack less attention?
Speaker 2:yeah, so people like walking in very film yeah, because if you have like 15 the chains that someone passed by and it's the type of girl what you're looking for is the chain is bigger, right, yes, okay, um it's just because, like the last last week, that doesn't have like heavy, yeah, like front of my house flooding.
Speaker 4:It's flooding like up to my knees, but then it's also raining very heavy inside Nympho.
Speaker 1:So they have problem with the ceiling.
Speaker 4:Yes, water leaking like a waterfall. So now, at the moment, we close Nympho and renovate with the ceiling. Yes, so it's water leaking down like a waterfall. Yeah, so now at the moment, we close Nympho and renovate and then all the girls come to work if we're perceived, so you need to fix it.
Speaker 2:Okay, not that it's happened by the next heavy rain.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, no, but it sucks, like you have to. Just you just open a new one and then you have the problems keep on coming.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but better now in the low season than in the high season.
Speaker 4:I would say yeah and also it's perfect time, because we just opened up the WEPUSI, so every staff can just work at the WEPUSI.
Speaker 1:So you bring all the staff from the other bar to the. So now it's how many ladies? Now Like 30 ladies.
Speaker 4:No, as I said, now I have like 15. Like at front. You also have to separate.
Speaker 1:Yeah for two bar ladies okay, okay, and can I ask you, like each bar, in my opinion, normally I don't go soy six much. I find it a bit of a hassle. You know, it's a bit more expensive and the ladies are a bit more aggressive and the other floors are a little bit different.
Speaker 4:Yeah, no more aggressive and the other flowers a little bit different.
Speaker 1:No, not not in every bar, but normally like if I want just to cross the street, people will just grab me on yeah, I can say like it more higher competition.
Speaker 4:Yes, because I have more lady in this actually go inside.
Speaker 1:What I wanted to ask you what like everybody have some concept, what the concept of your bars, I don't know, like what makes you different from the other bars.
Speaker 2:That's hard to answer, so you have, maybe like only young girls, or it's like around Not really.
Speaker 4:But I can say like we are very chill and fun. Maybe some bar, some place you go. They're kind of like a hot-sell. Yeah, drink, drink, drink drink, but normally my bar is more like chilling. We can just come play games chilling and all my girls know the games.
Speaker 2:So you're not annoying the customer for drink again and again.
Speaker 1:No, but I do play the games with them, still buying drinks, but Do you have a?
Speaker 2:pool table in your bar or it's just like the normal games.
Speaker 4:Normal table game and I kind of have like weird girl. Sometimes they don't need drink, but they're just already dancing in front of the bar.
Speaker 1:That's good, that's actually good. And how long it took you? Because I know another bar that was opened kind of recently in sorry japan. They opened and they said, oh, it will be a big opening, big opening, big opening.
Speaker 2:And they cannot get ladies, like for two months oh actually it's a ladyboy bar, but still they cannot get anyone like for almost two months or the one they try to do like kind of a gentleman club in it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I saw just the advertisement on Facebook or on social media and I just saw they have maybe four or five. Yeah, I never saw the ones that they have, and it's a gentleman bar, so it's open very early, yeah, and it's like behind closed doors, right? Yeah?
Speaker 4:yeah, yeah, so you don't really see it closed doors, right. Yeah, when my friends start opening, right, I try to be like this recruiter because I don't want to go work every day. But then I also have problem on the fighting the girl. But then, especially now, I see the low season, the opening high season and then now it loses you, right. So, especially like now low season, many girl, they just go home.
Speaker 2:Yeah, take a rest, because they see it's not really like they're not making money.
Speaker 3:Yeah, not so much right.
Speaker 2:Because we have more like the locals and not so many tourists, right, yeah.
Speaker 4:So like the girls some girls they work in Pattaya for a long time, so they know like there is low season, they just go home and come back in the high season. So I think that that's also causing it's hard to find the people to work.
Speaker 2:But only in the low season, or is it in the high season? And also difficult because you have so much competition and they go to other bars so it's hard for each bar to find the right amount of ladies. Or is it more easy in the high season actually to get them?
Speaker 4:I feel like it's easier to get them in the high season.
Speaker 1:What do you do as a recruiting Like, how do you recruit them? Do you go around the social medias or you go around the bars?
Speaker 4:No, I just go around the social medias because I feel like every city they have like group like the bar, the bar working group, and then the lady will go in there maybe they post like, okay, I'm looking for the job and stuff like that and I also like joining like nearby city, okay, yeah, and also some city that I feel like, oh, the girl very hot, so I have to join that group on this, that city, okay, and then just post.
Speaker 3:Are we talking about?
Speaker 4:um, yeah, that's nearby city, so rayong chunburi, bangkok and uh another one. Yeah, another one that I really want to get a girl from is Khon Kaen and Korat.
Speaker 1:Why from them? Why not go from Sisaket and Buriram?
Speaker 4:Korat. Oh, this is the reason.
Speaker 1:This is the reason.
Speaker 4:Well, that makes sense yeah, and kong kian goes. I have a few friends in in bangkok that is from kong kian and in I feel like they just this is where they have something, okay, yeah I, I think that's like I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 1:You have like a touch.
Speaker 2:It's something that you think, oh, maybe they have that special spark that I need to my bar you know yeah because actually there is a difference between the provinces, you know yeah, and I think if you come from the same city, same like us, right? So if someone would come from my hometown even I don't know him I would immediately feel like a deeper connection because, yeah, but she's talking about vibe.
Speaker 4:She said like the girls from Konken have a special vibe in them, you know yeah okay yeah, like I feel like if, uh, my bar is more like attached to european, american, european, okay, not like, not like asian type, but okay, yeah, but uh come on if if an asian group come, you will try to grab them anyway oh, I will tell them to like drag them.
Speaker 4:At least drag them in for me, at least you know. But the bar for Asian people, I will feel like I will find a girl from Chiang Mai, because white skin.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was going to say that.
Speaker 4:But like Isan side, like North East, they have like dark skin sharp face.
Speaker 1:The foreigners from the Western countries like it more the tan skin and everything.
Speaker 2:Chiang Mai also usually like taller one right. I never noticed a high difference.
Speaker 1:Oh really, yeah, I don't really see my like tall.
Speaker 2:I just want to know if it's true or not.
Speaker 4:I don't really see my like tall Chiang Mai girl.
Speaker 2:More like with the white skin. Yeah, white skin.
Speaker 3:My experience with them actually Minimal size like easy to carry size.
Speaker 4:Easy to carry, easy to pack. Easy to carry? Yeah, easy to pack size.
Speaker 1:I actually noticed something different. I noticed that the girls that come from Chiang Mai, chiang Rai, all the northern areas, are much more relaxed. It's like a different vibe. It's like they come from the village and not the city, you know. They are much more calmed down.
Speaker 2:Okay, they want like they fucking love gardening and stuff like that, and it's not one or two that I met, right, so everyone has a little bit like it's very chilled vibe, so then it's matching to the vibe that you actually want to have in the bar, because you say, yeah, but a little bit like crazy, I like chaos, you like chaos I more like chaos yeah.
Speaker 4:So you need to bring them from Booyah, when sometimes the girls just see like dancing out nowhere on top of the table, just like you don't even drink yet and you're like yeah, yeah, I like this song and they're like oh okay, you are the right girl.
Speaker 1:I want to ask you a personal question. So I know you from our mutual mutual friend, mark right? And he owned the sober bar. I just named it. So you guys, if you want to check it out, it's in seo, japan, and I didn't ask you this question until now because I thought it's really interesting how come you speak such good english?
Speaker 4:uh, because your english is amazing, for the time when I was like 17, yeah, 17 or 18, I had like a two-month break from high school. So my aneurysms are interesting just in English music. I try to remember myself. So she had a friend open a company I don't want to say the name, it's an English company and then so she sent me there for just on the two-month break.
Speaker 3:Sent you where To.
Speaker 4:England, no, no, in Bangkok, oh, in Bangkok, in Bangkok, and then when I be there, I have no friend in Bangkok. I don't know anyone, I don't know anything about Bangkok. Never come to in my life and in my company. No Thai employee I'm the first one.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, so like I have to learn very harshly, very quickly also.
Speaker 4:Yes, yes, so. And then when I finish two months I decide to stay. Not go back to school, just work in the office. So like my English that jump from like see one, one percent to same like now okay, yeah, no. So this means also you have language skills like you're very good uh, I can say like it's just like I'm very interesting in it, so it's like it's easier when you're interesting, of course, yeah, and it's like yeah, and also when you're young, right?
Speaker 4:yeah, especially, yeah, especially, like when you not really can use your own language because in the office I hang out with them, my co-workerworkers. Right, go eat, go out, go party, everything together.
Speaker 1:I do everything with them.
Speaker 4:So yeah, because I only know them, so I don't have to use it all the time.
Speaker 2:How long you actually was working in the office.
Speaker 4:In that office for three years. Oh, wow, yeah. And then after that because I don't have the study certificate, right.
Speaker 1:Okay, so mostly the diploma.
Speaker 4:Yeah, mostly I would just jump to another company. It would be just a foreigner company. Foreigner company, yeah, okay. So that's how I became a nurse.
Speaker 1:And what made you come all the way here to Pattaya?
Speaker 4:Oh, heartbreak, yeah, Heartbreak, really, yes, yes For one of the foreigners. You fell in love with oh, heartbreak, yes, heartbreak, really yes, for one of the foreigners you fell in love with. Yes, I never date Thai, so but it's not really like heartbreak, more like I break his heart. Oh, okay.
Speaker 3:You also?
Speaker 2:fell in love, not him.
Speaker 4:We lived together for past to the COVID. It's been long time. You know it's like it's, but I feel like the love is not growing anymore.
Speaker 1:It's kind of like you mean wait, you mean during covid, you felt it went down. Think about it being stuck at home with the same person all the time with his farts and everything you know.
Speaker 2:It's kind of hard for me for me today it's already hard okay, I'm joking it.
Speaker 4:I'm not going to say it's hard, I don't think he's a good guy, but it just feels like it feels no more exciting. We kind of talk about everything we know each other too much.
Speaker 1:You just say okay, I don't want.
Speaker 4:We just sit down and talk. Yeah, I feel like we should step back.
Speaker 1:So you used to live with him in Bangkok.
Speaker 4:No, I changed the city a lot.
Speaker 1:It's very confusing oh it's interesting, it's not confusing.
Speaker 4:I met him in Rayong. Okay, yeah, I met him in Rayong. And then, before we even know, covid going to hit. But we heard the news Like, oh, now he's have the flu, break, break down, break out Something.
Speaker 1:But we heard the news like, oh, now he's had the flu break break down break out, you know. Something strange from China. Yeah, yeah something strange.
Speaker 4:And then I get offered the job from Bangkok. So I tell him like oh, I'm going to go. That time we did like just two months. And he just decided like okay, I come with you. So he just moved his job to follow me and then COVID hit hard Okay, so when you arrived in Bangkok or you guys were still in Royong. No, when I was already in Bangkok, and then his company also, like, dumped him out.
Speaker 1:Because of the COVID, because of the COVID Okay.
Speaker 2:But they did not like tell him. Yeah for me, it was also like when I work online. It was like lot of lay-outs back then. Yeah, for me, it was also back then when I worked online. It was like I had an impact.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's how the online job is more popular too. That's why he found an online job too. So when he got an online job, he just moved to another city more countryside.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, and then you just said I want to make money in Pattaya.
Speaker 4:Or you like the scene, you like the party in here. No, I just break up with him first and then later I just look like where my friends are. And then my friend, the owner of the bar. Now they are in Pattaya, so it's just like, okay, maybe I can go there. When I was working in Bangkok, every weekend I like to come to Pattaya, so maybe I will like it here. So that's how is it very simple.
Speaker 1:So actually you never walked as a bar girl no, never okay, yeah, that's interesting because normally I think it's not the first time but the second time I heard, because normally what happened? The bar girls start walking and if they are reliable and a bit smarter, than the other.
Speaker 2:then they can grab the rent, then you get this kind of position, right when she had a boyfriend and then she decided, oh, okay.
Speaker 4:I don't want to work. Yeah, they want to open the bar and stuff.
Speaker 1:And you don't think you're lacking the experience in order to understand the? No, I mean to understand what they are going through. You feel you're lacking that experience.
Speaker 4:Yes, at first I'm very scared. I thought I'm still working with my own company, right? She already like I already know she's going to ask me to join. When she said, oh, I will, finally, I'm going to open the bar. After talking about it for like years, two years I said like okay, and she's like you're going gonna come here. But I don't think so. But then at the end I feel like, uh, she said like yeah, it would be the recruiter. It's like not that hard, you don't have to come every day, you can just come to hang out sometime. And one thing she said that is a little bit like yeah, I think it will be fine, because when I'm working in the company, when I get bored, I still come to Soy6. So, as a customer, so why not just enjoy the business?
Speaker 1:So you do like that environment, you do enjoy the partying and the drinking environment in general. Yeah, like when I saw you the first two times, you were very drunk, like you were extremely drunk. No, no More drunk than anyone I saw before.
Speaker 4:Okay, yeah, you come to see me in the pot.
Speaker 1:Maybe see me on the party day no, you came with mark to our friend bar, to delirious bar, and I met you there. It was, I think, during a song run, oh Okay. I don't remember that Of course you don't remember that you were a student at the bar?
Speaker 4:Oh yes, Well, if I go out, I go hard, you know. If I don't go out, I just stay home, okay.
Speaker 2:So, but you don't have to work like every day, right? If I understand it correctly at the beginning.
Speaker 4:At the beginning no.
Speaker 2:I mean now and about it's supposed to be like that.
Speaker 4:But then at the end you just kind of like At the end I changed the position from the recruiter and then later become the mamasan. Okay, but then also.
Speaker 2:I need to do yeah.
Speaker 4:And I need to do the cashier as well.
Speaker 1:Bart, you're doing pr also all the promotion online and stuff like this.
Speaker 4:So this is more like it helping, okay, yeah, more like they're helping, but uh, right now in the wet pussy, uh, I do. It's so funny. The name is funny. It though when people have that reaction it's like Okay, go on Sorry.
Speaker 1:Go on about your wet pussy.
Speaker 4:Yes, I will talk about wet pussy. So in wet pussy. Now I just be the manager.
Speaker 1:Okay, oh, you are the manager of the club.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but then in Nympho at the start I have to be like a cover, but then cover everything, everything. Because in in one point what do you mean by cover like?
Speaker 1:replacement.
Speaker 4:Yeah, like when the when manager not there when mama's not okay, so we play and catch you're not there okay, I just have to stand by so you jump in the positions yes and it's just because, like after we opened like new, falling I think one or two months, and we don't have managers. And mama sang, she opened her own bar oh, okay and catcher was her sister, so they are so both of them.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, and I also open in, so six, so they open somewhere else they open somewhere else at least next door or something like it would be fun it would be fun, take some girls and also it would be a pain in the ass.
Speaker 4:Yeah so that's why, like, just have someone that I I have to like do everything by myself. So it's good, because I mean, when some someone not there, I can just jump in and like, okay, I do it okay and weird question do you accept ladyboys in the wet pussy? Like only when they're cut? Yeah, only when they're cut. Unfortunately, we don't do mix yeah.
Speaker 1:Why you don't do mix, because just before you came, you talked about it.
Speaker 4:For me I don't mind, for me I don't mind. And I think my boss, my boss, like tell me size, tell me also, maybe don't mind. But I noticed like he kind of I think he don't really want to do mix, because he say first, he say like it's kind of make confusion.
Speaker 1:For the customers. Yes, so they don't know. Oh, I'm sitting with a lady, or I'm sitting with a lady boy.
Speaker 2:But in Soy6 in particular, they don't have. They used to have a lot of me, yeah, yeah, but, but but now they don't have much or any right or something.
Speaker 1:I just know a few right one mixed bar or one lady boy one mixed bar oh okay, yeah, I just know one.
Speaker 2:It's only one left right now.
Speaker 1:That's crazy, you remember like 10 years ago, it was all mixed yeah, I, I know it was more than now, so one is crazy all mixed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know it was more than now, so the wine is crazy. It's really like everything is like shifting, as you mentioned many times before, like Soy Bokao, soy Bokao, have like. It's not only that, I think also the adjustment to the customers.
Speaker 1:So first it was like more, as we said, by the way, as the article that you said. First it was more westerns and americans, right, yeah, so for them it's excitement and it's interesting oh, it's a lady, lady boy, you know. And now it shifts to the asian market and the asian market is a bit more strict about it. So I think it's maybe not not particularly particularly in your bar, but still like the whole scene is shifting right now.
Speaker 4:Yeah yeah, now I also see more the more asian bar pop up. The past like what the difference?
Speaker 1:just the ladies or the music?
Speaker 4:also, like they will put more asian, let's say chinese music or korean music I won't say like, uh, I don't know how to explain, but it's more like the vibe. But but do you see the bar? Do you actually know like what type of customer that they're looking?
Speaker 1:for I don't know that, I don't know, I don't have that kind of do you have that?
Speaker 2:No, I just try to figure it out. So what is it besides the white skin Like.
Speaker 1:What are the points that we need to look to in order to find?
Speaker 2:Oh I mean they're super petite, super skinny, White skin. She said before.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's like, especially like look at the woman who worked there. First it felt white and then very cute, Very small, Not just like skinny, but like small.
Speaker 1:So more like a schoolgirl style. You mean short and skinny, yeah, or like can be short, only short as well. And also like dress and makeup.
Speaker 4:Makeup only light I can walk there Go ahead. Look, I'm white skin, short and fat. Okay, I find a dress for you. Okay, perfect, and dress very cute. Yeah, something like that. Like not only labeling, you know yeah yeah, yeah, it's more like conservative.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's more conservative. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, and the music is the same, just general.
Speaker 4:The music. The music is hard to say. The music is like, yeah, more, like more in Korean Chinese music than the US music.
Speaker 1:I have a question for you. We had an article that we spoke about before, but I want to know if you noticed that you can also join in, because you are being very quiet and maybe you know the answer before her. So which is the country that most of the tourists come from right now in?
Speaker 4:Thailand From my experience, my point of view right.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Thailand. I will give you a hint, okay.
Speaker 4:It's Southeast Asia, oh, south Korean.
Speaker 1:No. What do you think? Oh, south korean? No. What do you think? Which, like from which country most have the biggest?
Speaker 3:group of tourists that come now to thailand every year no.
Speaker 1:The thailand, russia, no, also no. So it's malaysia, actually malaysia, and we saw the numbers. It's like 20% more than everyone else, even more.
Speaker 2:Like it was Malaysia, china, no, india was the third. Yeah, it was the third one, right?
Speaker 1:Malaysia, China, India. Then they're talking about Korea. And at the end, the end, the end. You see all the Western countries. Yeah, like it's shifting so much, because now you don't see as many. Now it's our season also but you don't see as many as big groups of foreigners of English guy or French or German or American especially.
Speaker 2:I don't see almost any Americans here yeah, not as it's supposed to be before.
Speaker 1:Only a few right and it used to be the American hub, if not the American.
Speaker 2:But now you know something like what's going on on the beach road and then the walking street, so the American hub. But now you see, like what's going on on the beach road and in the walking streets, so it's like you see, Asian and you see, like Indian it's.
Speaker 3:Indian town.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you have also a lot of Indian in the Soi 6?.
Speaker 4:At the moment a lot. Yesterday I saw the biggest group I've ever seen. It's kind of like can fit in the big bus. Like around like 20 people.
Speaker 1:And they go with the same. The Chinese with the stick, or it just randomize. No, no, no.
Speaker 4:They just go like look like a group of friend, but it's like 20 people.
Speaker 1:Okay, they go inside the Obama.
Speaker 4:No, okay, I don't have many girl that is like their type. Yeah, or like not many girl that they are the girl type.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay.
Speaker 4:But a few of the girls like Indian.
Speaker 1:What would you say is the best customers you have? Which country For your bar especially?
Speaker 4:For my bar. For my bar, I would say the Aussie, the Australians, yeah.
Speaker 1:The Australians, sorry, yes, okay, why so Spending more? Or they just like you, like their vibe?
Speaker 4:Maybe I just like the vibe and also, like some of them, are spending quite a lot Really Because, like first one of the owner is the Australian right. Okay, Especially if you're there, it's easy to get them. Oh, and England, because I have a manager from England.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, and Yoruba. Which is the best customers that you get in Yoruba? What country?
Speaker 3:I don't know, because it was almost terrible yeah but okay.
Speaker 1:But you have friends that work there and you know, like the customers that come, like for you, for example, as a ladyboy bar, do you get many Asians inside, like Koreans, chinese.
Speaker 3:Not too many Asians to my bar, maybe the most like just from Australia.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 1:Australia and England and Germany.
Speaker 2:The only one.
Speaker 3:And Russia, russia also.
Speaker 1:Yes, okay, I never seen too many Russians go to the ladyboy bars. Actually, I know only few of them.
Speaker 2:The guy we met yesterday was from Hungary, Hungary yeah, yeah, I don't see many Russians in my bar either.
Speaker 3:When they come, they come like a couple for five lady bars to have sex.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I know. I think even I know who exactly you're talking about. You also know them. You also know them because we see them in the same bars all the time. Last time we saw them in pici lily, they are going to hunting for a lady.
Speaker 2:Oh, but I don't know they're russian, really okay, I but you know who, I'm talking about yeah, yeah, but I never spoke to them.
Speaker 1:But yeah, so they used to go to delirious before I spoke to them and they just tell me yeah, we are hunting for ladyboys okay, oh, it's interesting when both are into it, right?
Speaker 2:Why not?
Speaker 1:You know what it's, maybe even like coming more from the girl and not of the guy. Because I met an Israeli couple she's Russian but Russian-Israeli, and he's Israeli guy and he said, listen, I'm not into it, but she always drag me here. She always drag me here, and then I have to sit, poor guy, no, no, he said I'm not into it. And then I have to sit watching her fucking a ladyboy, like for two hours and I feel not good because the ladyboy fuck her better than me. Yeah, it's funny, yeah.
Speaker 1:But he said like oh okay, so I just drink here with the guys you know and she's like hunting, grabbing the cocks and whatnot. Wow, that's crazy. Do you get that also in Yoba? Like couples looking to add another lady?
Speaker 4:Yeah, full time.
Speaker 1:Really, and normally it's walk out, or sometimes the ladies say well, or sometimes the ladies say well, we don't want to get involved.
Speaker 4:Some work out Same like Nympho. We have like young couple. They're coming and just always come to bar five, one girl.
Speaker 2:The same girl, the same girl, okay, okay.
Speaker 1:So it's almost a relationship already if they're always with the same girl.
Speaker 4:Yeah, have like a few come later, like they're just looking around, you know.
Speaker 1:You know if there's some people say yes, okay, let's go, or but I like one, one customer that I have at the moment like personally.
Speaker 4:No, I don't like he come in and then he would drink with but a lot many of the girl, right. But then one time I and how I see the girl come to do the chat to go out, right, chat time. Oh, okay, to go out. And then I saw in the list like why is like four girls and one bill? And then Katia told me, oh yeah, he barfied all the four girls.
Speaker 2:Oh, at the same time, in the same time Wow.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That must be a good chat time.
Speaker 1:Well, I will tell you a story that I I have about that. So there is a place which is we all know what is a gentleman club. Okay, you know what is a gentleman bar? So gentleman bar is basically a blowjob bar. It's it's a closed door bar. You cannot go inside, you have to ring the bell and then they open for you and basically cheap drinks and, sorry to say, but cheap ladies. You know most of the ladies, they're a bit older and you can do everything in the bar. So if you will go, you see some guys getting blowjobs behind the curtain or something, not where I'm talking about.
Speaker 2:They don't have any curtains over there when I was like in the Meggie maze, okay, so that was the first time that I witnessed it, okay, and uh, yeah. So then I saw like a guy just disappear behind the curtain, and then I hear like some noises, and then I know already what they're doing.
Speaker 4:You know what?
Speaker 1:I mean I said like okay, that's kind of weird.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, this is how it goes, yeah, so.
Speaker 1:I, I was at that bar. I can say the name of the bar. It's called the telephone bar. It's at the end, the end, the end of Soi Bon Cote. Oh, okay, there is like a red telephone booth.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm talking about. Yeah, like the.
Speaker 1:English one, and there is a button you press and then they come open.
Speaker 2:That's actually a cool idea, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:By the way, the owner there, he used tie and then they separate and she, she just adopted the idea and she go all in for it. It's really interesting how they do it. So I was there with a friend of mine and we are drinking and there were like six, seven, eight girls over there, I don't remember how many. Now, the concept of this bar that each if you buy one drink for the ladies, immediately they get naked. Oh, interesting.
Speaker 1:I want to go there, yeah you can we can all go together, but it's closed very early I'm telling you it's closed. They open nine in the morning and they close nine pm in the daytime it's a daytime. Most of the gentlemen clubs are a daytime place because, basically, why they are doing all the getting naked and everything they try to attract the cheap Charlies. Oh, I go to a bar. I have to pay like a few drinks, but it's also because of the area right. So Soybon could have like a lot of, I think, just because it's cheaper to do it over there.
Speaker 2:Okay, just that so how it goes. So one drink and they get already naked In that bar yeah, immediately naked. And then what do you get for the second drink? Already a blowjob. They stay naked.
Speaker 1:Okay, no, it's a really chill place actually. They are not pushing you too much. Okay, Most of them will just let you play with their tits or whatever, but this is the concept of the bar. But normally if you come inside, you will see someone get a blowjob next to you, or just with his cock out, jerking off and someone is helping.
Speaker 1:That's normal thing over there. So I was there with my friend and there were some eight or something like this ladies and we are drinking and each of us bought a lady drink and then we see a guy come drink a bit, buy a drink for a lady and then he go with the lady and then another lady go, another lady, and then another lady go, another lady go, another lady go, and then even the ladies that stayed with us went inside. Wow, he want everyone in the bar. He didn't have, he didn't like care. I was surprised he didn't invite us. That was a bit rude, like, hey, guy, you're leaving that just with the like the bartender over there at least invite us. But he was like himself with eight girls and it's cheap, I don't remember. I think it's like 700 for each one, something like that, 700 or 800. I don't remember the exact price. So he just 10,000 baht, whatever with all the ladies Crazy.
Speaker 1:No, he was very quick about it. Listen, eight ladies, yeah, okay, even if they just use their pinkies, you will be quick about it. But yeah, it was fun. But it's a really nice bar if you've never been there and also to the guys I recommend it's very interesting.
Speaker 2:Just telephone bar, go there, telephone bar, that's cool and I have one place in Bangkok, actually Havana. It's like, yeah, you know, in Bangkok everything is a little bit more high.
Speaker 4:I know, I know Havana, yeah, so you know, you also go inside with the.
Speaker 2:So there's a code that you have to type on the phone and then the door opens, and then you'd be like it's a little bit like Cuba style the way they do it.
Speaker 4:With a cowboy vibe.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and they have like a cigar lounge there and everything, yeah it's pretty cool.
Speaker 1:It's pretty cool. I like cigars. Next time we'll go to.
Speaker 2:Bangkok Okay yeah. It's actually there where we had the hotel. It's in Sukhumvit 11, just around the corner at the end.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, yeah, that's a cool vibe. We had a weekend like two weeks ago, three weeks ago. We just okay, we go to Bangkok to meet our friend for two nights.
Speaker 2:Yeah we have to lift him up.
Speaker 4:he was a little bit down, yeah me and my friend like to go there because like it would be like random stranger come to you and then like ask you to dance, like dance salsa and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the vibe is very good, very good, vibe it's nice, of course a little bit more expensive because of the area. So come with 11, everything is a little bit more high, but the vibe is really unique. I like it, but this is not like a gentlemen bar.
Speaker 1:This is just a bar. The concept is like a secret bar that you have to go.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then it's really like Cuba style, so you don't feel like you'd be in South America. It's really cool.
Speaker 1:That's nice. You know there is a place here. I don't know many people don't know it it's called Empire Lounge. You heard about it? No, you heard about it. So it's on the way to Jomtien. It's the most expensive bar in Pattaya. There are no ladies over there. Two, it's a cigar lounge. Okay, amazing, how, like the design there is so beautiful. Everything is dark and you feel like in a james bond movie. You know, everyone have like their own lazy boy chair, but like it's look like a crown, not a crown, a throne. You know, like big chairs with tall backs and you have your own table and your own cigar placement and everything. A drink there is 500 baht. The cheapest cigar is like six, seven thousand baht. Oh, yeah, yeah, and you have to be a member.
Speaker 1:Oh, if you're a member they cut the price like 50, everything okay but the membership, I don't remember how much it cost and I went there one time because I really like cigars and I said okay, I will give it a try. I just went inside, I looked at the prices. They already looked at me and said like that, because they saw my face and I just turned around shamefully and I went back down.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, if it starts at 7K, this is like kind of strange and this is like kind of strange.
Speaker 1:And, by the way, the same cigar you can buy for, let's say, 1,000.
Speaker 2:Right In, other places, so it's not even that exclusive.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, they have some special things over there. I saw that the price is there. Yeah, they're over 10, 15, whatsoever. No, no, I'm talking 50, 60,000 baht for a cigar. No, way. Yeah, and people pay that the place is open. That's crazy, and it's open for like four or five years already, so it's working, I guess. So Listen after that time. I never did that, oh it's a laundry business, money laundry.
Speaker 2:You know what Maybe?
Speaker 1:We know some businesses here that operate as money laundry businesses in front of other stuff. Yeah, but yeah, it's probably something like that, but it's interesting, like I always told myself that when we will make it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:We will go have a cigar over there, fuck you guys.
Speaker 1:We want a membership. We invite all our friends. No, but this is the things that I like about the concept bars when they have, some of them have such a cool concept that you don't really need even the ladies. Like the ladies that I told you that are there are not walking. Ladies Like the bartender and the girl that light your cigar. That's it.
Speaker 4:So the writer and then the… yeah, something like that. That is also something that I feel like is really lacking in Pattaya, like the normal chilling bar, you know, with a nice cocktail, and then have like cool bartender or like cool concept of the bar. Because, like now, when it's like going to go to the bar in Pattaya, probably it's going to go to my friend bar, right, of course. Yeah, but I also like miss the, miss the, the picture like bar in the pitch in the in bangkok yeah, you know you're gathering with your friend, like same, like havana like hey today let's go dance, let's go havana, okay.
Speaker 2:And also, like today, let's go like chill, have some wine, let's go to the oscar bar, or something like that oscar is the oscar bistro yeah but many people go there because they have a nice bar and just sit around yeah later they even play like the drums, so that some people were dancing.
Speaker 2:But it sounds very touristy, like no, it's, it's, it's like mix, right, because in in bangkok you have so many people they actually live there as as foreigners, right, and then you have like um, it's even like um from, from the girls that coming there is also kind of mixed. So you have some girls they're a little bit older in the oscar bistro, right so, and some of them even working like uh, as a freelance, and some just like um, yeah, coming from work, you know, have a normal job, I don't know, maybe in a hospital or whatsoever, so you can. That's why I like bangkok from the vibe, because you can really meet like people who are like working in the sex industry, right, but you can also meet like normal people, yeah because, like yeah, after the after office, after you work, I need to stop uh oh, okay, so we do a five minute break, okay, no problem.