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Bangkok Blues: Why Pattaya Feels Like Home And Dating Tips w/ Pim
The veil lifts as Pim finally makes her on-camera debut, bringing vibrant energy to a conversation that takes listeners deep into the contrasting worlds of Bangkok and Pattaya. What begins as a lighthearted discussion about Pim introducing her boyfriend to her family quickly evolves into a revealing exploration of Thailand's tourist landscape.
Mike doesn't hold back as he describes his jarring Bangkok experience – from the 350 baht fried rice that should cost just 60 baht, to the aggressive mamasan behavior in Nana Plaza, to the unsettling frequency of drug offers from strangers on the street. His palpable disappointment provides a powerful contrast to the comfortable familiarity of Pattaya, which despite its notorious reputation, feels "like a village where everyone knows everyone." This isn't just travel talk; it's a window into how drastically different two tourist hubs can feel when experienced through local knowledge.
The conversation shifts into more vulnerable territory when Pim opens up about her romantic relationship, describing it as "50-50" serious compared to her previous "almost 100%" commitment. Her candid insights about trust issues and the complications of dating while working in bars reveal the complex emotional landscape navigated by those in Thailand's entertainment industry. Mike contributes thoughtful observations about what makes relationships succeed in Pattaya's unique environment, noting that "you cannot buy love" – a simple yet profound truth that many travelers learn the hard way. Their honest dialogue about temptation, age gaps, and financial expectations cuts through stereotypes to expose the human realities behind tourist-local relationships.
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Hello everyone and welcome back to my Thai Wife podcast. I'm Mike, this is Pim. You finally can see both of us.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And hello everyone, and we are very excited, as we promised you for about I don't know, a few months already, and previously with Lada, I told you finally that one day we are going to do it in the studio. So here we are, yeah, excited.
Speaker 2:Really, really, I'm really excited, excited.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I am First time for you on camera.
Speaker 2:Yeah, is it.
Speaker 1:Like officially first time on camera.
Speaker 2:Yeah, first time on camera.
Speaker 1:I remember you dancing in front of I don't know hundreds of people. Oh yeah, and you weren't so nervous.
Speaker 2:I do never also, but that's unlike in this way, because that's like just show and finish Okay.
Speaker 1:So just feel comfortable. Yeah, let's enjoy the next hour with each other and with our listeners. Okay, so last time we spoke on the phone we were both in Bangkok.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But before that, as I already said on the podcast I did with Michelle and June, you were with a guy, yeah, and you took him to meet your family.
Speaker 2:Yes, right, how was it? It was great. It was great. Yeah, get back home from Nike, back for a long time, probably like a few months.
Speaker 1:A few months you haven't been home, you haven't seen your family.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then like get back and travel around, went more.
Speaker 1:Wait, wait, wait. First about your home. How was it for him? Was he excited? You mean about him, I it for him. Was he excited? You mean about him? I mean the experience of your family meeting a foreigner.
Speaker 2:How was it all right? All right. So, probably, like they are, they are excited to me, yeah, foreigners guy, but I think for for child, children, they are excited more because children. They are excited more because, okay, yeah, you mean like cousins and yeah, yeah, and in my home never, never talk with english language. So when I'm talking with, yeah, when I talk with him and show the other, and they feel like uncomfortable a little bit because they understand, yeah, well, now they know how we feel, how the foreigners bit because they don't understand.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, now they know how we feel, how the foreigners feel. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we don't understand shit here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's right. So it's all great, great and they are happy.
Speaker 1:He was okay with the food.
Speaker 2:Huh, the food? Yeah, I love it. They give back.
Speaker 1:No, I mean for him, for him, yeah, for him, for him. Yeah, he likes Thai food. He can eat Thai food, as like Thai people like that, like he can eat spicy and he can eat everything, like all the special dishes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he can eat spicy more than me.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, you're not an example. You cannot eat anything spicy.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, I can, but I need like less spicy, not too much.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know, so it was okay, right, how long you stay there with your family?
Speaker 2:It was just three night, oh, okay. Three night and went back to Kachang.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, wait you went to Kachang.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I went to Kachang after that. Sorry yeah, just three night and then after that got down for two night. How was gochang?
Speaker 1:it's not really good about winter the weather yeah, it was raining every time.
Speaker 2:I called you rain the yeah, just like um for third day I came and rain for all day okay, so, um, so you just stayed in or you went, even it was, you went outside a little bit when rain is finished, so I'll be going out sometime. It doesn't long like that, because have rain always coming, but house about there is like quietly and not have many tourists.
Speaker 1:Oh, it was empty.
Speaker 2:Maybe partly about the place I'm staying. It doesn't have many tourists. Oh, it was empty. I maybe probably about the place I'm stay this doesn't have many tourists for visit. How?
Speaker 1:far was it from the beach, like your home um, that's not far.
Speaker 2:Like a walk distance, yeah, okay, like a private beach? Oh, that's nice, yeah, but it's a half rain, so that's why I just lose my special time.
Speaker 1:You don't lose your special time. You still were in the room. Michelle was curious that if you are staying in the room, are you having more fun just together with him? But I said those kinds of questions I cannot ask.
Speaker 2:Yes, prefer that, I prefer to stay in the room more. Okay, I understand, like myself.
Speaker 1:So you've been there, and by the time you left Koh Chang, you went to Pattaya right, and this is the time that I went to Bangkok.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So we were supposed to stay in Bangkok for two nights, but we stayed only for one night. We were supposed to meet you guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but we stayed only for one night.
Speaker 2:We were supposed to meet you guys.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it wasn't everything didn't go as we planned Because, to be honest, I don't like Bangkok. It was my first time experiencing Bangkok.
Speaker 2:Really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because normally, well, I've been there once many years ago, but on like official business stuff, I see. So I didn't even go out of my room, I just went to the room and to some I mean last time, and to some like government places, and then I went back right. But this time we were. So it was me, michelle. We met scott over there because he had to spend a week in bangkok and greg was over there. We actually met g spend a week in Bangkok and Greg was over there. We actually met Greg on his last night before he moved to Malaysia.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's like last night for him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was last night for him in Thailand, for I think he will be back around September. I'm not sure.
Speaker 2:So what happened? What's going on?
Speaker 1:So we arrived it was around 7.30, something like that, right, and then we went to eat something and already I understood that Bangkok is so fucking expensive so no, we just went to a regular restaurant near our hotel. How much you think I paid for cow pad, for fried rice with chicken?
Speaker 2:I don't know about finance restaurant, but I just guess I get to do that 350 baht, really, yeah, shit, yeah, that's fucking expensive, is it?
Speaker 1:yeah, so, just for you know, the regular fried rice with the egg on top, right with chicken, normally it costs between 60 to 80 baht. Yeah, yeah, 350 baht. But okay, I said that's not example, maybe because it's the tourist area, yeah, yeah, and then we went to c's Secret. So there are two Cindy's Secrets, right, uh-huh, which is ladyboy bars. Yes, right. So the original one is near where we stayed in Bangkok I don't remember exactly the story, but it's not far from where we stayed and the second one, it was open last year here in Pattaya. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So we went there and it was so depressing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we went there and it was so depressing. It was empty, completely empty, like few ladyboys playing pool, that's it. And when we went inside, of course all of them surrounded us because all of them wanted drinks. I agree, yeah, and we stayed there. It took we had to meet Scott there, so it took him about 40, 50 minutes to reach there, because I don't know where he stayed, right, and it was so depressing. Oh, to see a bar like that empty, yeah, and nothing going on, like the only good thing I can tell about that that they have really good pool tables now, like they renovated them lately and like amazing pool tables, but even there, like, the drinks are more expensive than Pattaya.
Speaker 2:How much of a drink is that?
Speaker 1:So for what? Normally we paid in Pattaya, let's say, vodka with Schweppes lemon. Normally I pay between 100 to 140 in Pattaya. It was 190 in Bangkok oh yeah, lady drinks also 200, yeah 200, 100 lady drink.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for lady drinks yeah, so how much for them.
Speaker 1:I don't know, but I do ask this kind of question. But I do know because I asked Scott like hey, you know you're in Bangkok for a week, have you met anyone? And he said yeah, but he didn't want to go because it was so fucking expensive. So he said the cheapest bar, fine, was I don't remember now 1,000 or 1,500. Really yeah. And the lady boy wanted three thousand, five hundred for short time, short time for one hour. And she told him their hours start when they leave the bar, not when they come to the room yeah, yeah, yeah, I think probably other bar in patria yeah, but it's, you know it's, it's insane for these prices.
Speaker 1:So you just say, no, I wouldn't pay that right. So I think he just jerked off the whole week. I don't know, I didn't ask him, but I'm guessing Screw that for that, yeah, so these were the prices. So after that we went to. So there is a bar named Check-in Bar.
Speaker 2:Check-in Bar.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so there is one bar named check-in bar.
Speaker 2:check-in bar, yeah, so there is one on soy soy socomvit 10, and now they open what one in socomvit 11? Oh sorry, they have two.
Speaker 1:Now they have two. The new one they opened like 10 days ago. Like at the day we we've been there, it was 10 day before they opened extremely nice bar, even too nice, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:very fancy, like it's the bangkok style, right everything is like over the top, you know what I mean with a huge like over the head bar with many drinks I think just the bottles like of alcohol there is about 1 million but at least like the amount they had over there it was nice, uh, but again it's. It's when you are used to pataya, right, you are used to certain kind of bars, and then you it make it made me at least feel a little bit uncomfortable. Everything is so nice, everyone is also dressed so nice yeah, yeah, I understand it's like too much.
Speaker 2:Yeah it's like high society.
Speaker 1:So it's not for me. You know me, I'm down to earth. Nah, yeah. And then we went to Nana Plaza, which I don't even you know what. I will say one thing about Nana Plaza it was shit because the attitude we get from the like mama, son over there. So there are two goggles that we are, goggles that we went to. I don't remember the names. I think one of them is obsession and the other one rainbow maybe, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Okay, so, and we got treated like shit over there. How, how is going like? I'll give you the example. So think about it. We are three people because we haven't met Greg yet. We are all ordering drinks. We are all ordering lady drinks. The mama's son come. She want a drink. Michelle bought her a drink. Before she even get the drink, she come to me, buy me a drink also. I say no. Then she already gave me the stink. I like why not? I say because I don't want to buy you a drink. Then she moved to the, to scott, which also didn't bought her a drink. She got the drink that michelle bought her, drank it in one second. Buy me another drink. Huh, and when michelle no said no, she was like angry at him, why not? She was very aggressive, so weird. When I asked refill for refill, like another drink, she again gave me the stink eye and she spoke Thai. I know what she said Like oh fucking cheap, farang why.
Speaker 2:I need to buy for him. I understand no way like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I think it's just like for me. It's weird and doesn't nice to people.
Speaker 1:It's more than that. I think, it's kind of stupid and I explain it. I don't say she's stupid, I don't know her. Maybe she's extremely smart lady, but it's low season now. Every customer count. You cannot treat customer like that, because all the three of us and also Greg, because we told him we will never go back there again Right, they're just losing customer with that editing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:So what is going on? And, believe me, it wasn't that full right. Yeah, it was almost completely empty. So I don't get what they're thinking, but maybe this is her style. I don't get what they're thinking, but maybe this is her style, I don't know. Maybe in this way she gets more drinks when she treats customers like shit. Some people like it.
Speaker 2:For me it's like if you think that this is your job and this is a job.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you have to change your personal. Some personal up here to be in the job and make the good job you're, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1:But yeah, this way I say I I'm surprised that she act that way. Right, and I think there is, might be a reason behind it. Maybe normally when she treat customer like that it's actually working, because maybe you know many people that come to bangkok, the tourists that come for two, three days, and they they're leaving right, she knows, ok, I have to maximize every drink because I will not see them again anyway that's the way it is, is it true?
Speaker 2:also, maybe I'm a Thai person and I've been to Bangkok also before, but I don't stay for long like not not you haven't lived there, right huh?
Speaker 1:you never lived in Bangkok no, never lived in.
Speaker 2:Bangkok but when I'm, when is that? I'm just stay for two night or just few days?
Speaker 1:but what's your experience from Bangkok?
Speaker 2:it's it's like for first time I'm just go to meet my friend no, no, I mean the general experience.
Speaker 1:You enjoyed it, you. You find it what you're thinking about bangkok like if you have to recommend someone for me it's like um, you know why?
Speaker 2:so you, you in the, the central city, like a big city, it's your city and they had like the rules, you when you did something oh yeah yeah, so they had the rules like in the rub top other restaurant like hand restaurant. You can wear like flip-flop on you can wear just, you cannot wear just no more.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but those rules I actually get like they want everything to like to show everyone that comes. Okay, this is a high-hand bar right, everything here is over the top and we want our customers to dress nice long pants.
Speaker 2:You cannot come with shorts, you cannot come with flip-flops that that is happened with me before. It's like, um, if I'm, I'm just wearing something like normal me when I'm going out and doesn't have problem when I'm wasn't there, that's how I'm hanging out with my friend. So they said like you're, you're serious. I mean, my clothes show too much. Oh, really, yeah, okay, because I'm too revealing yeah, too revealing, and that's it.
Speaker 2:That's not nice to get in there, so that's why I feel like much better to if understand who's there. They are saying like doesn't care other people, they just focus on themselves and for freedom. It doesn't open for that. Okay, but for me it's like I can have a good time in there, but not about have to go out somewhere like a special place or a tourist spot and I don't want to go. I understand.
Speaker 1:I think we have a similar experience.
Speaker 2:Similar.
Speaker 1:Now I want to continue to tell you what's happened Now all this time, and I don't know I might have to delete what I'm going to say now. I don't know I might have to delete what I'm going to say now, I don't know, but whenever there was a black guy walking in the street he would stop you and offer you to buy drugs of him. Huh yeah, like it's something very organized. Like all the black almost all the black guys that we saw there were drug dealers and all of them offer us cocaine, ganja. I'm sure I could get whatever I want from them, but you know, I'm a former drug addict. I cannot. I'm not doing any drugs right, so it was kind of hard for me.
Speaker 1:But like, this is the thing that people don't understand about Pattaya. So everyone say Pattaya is the sin city. You know it's the city that people don't understand about Pattaya. So everyone say Pattaya is the sin city. It's the city that everyone fucking all the time and drinking all the time and whatever. But you don't see, like the drugs here are not as accessible as in Bangkok. Like, of course, everywhere you are in the world you can get drugs whatever you want, but it's so accessible in there, even the taxi drivers all the taxi drivers that we took offer us drugs huh, yeah, really, yeah, everyone.
Speaker 2:So I gotta say, like that is open for that more than in pastries, yeah, but I?
Speaker 1:I don't think it's a good thing you know it's not, that's not a good thing. It's not. It's extremely bad, because this is a shitty reputation for the city yeah, and like I understand here. Well, it might change soon, but yeah, you have many like weed shops everywhere because for now it's still kind of legal right. I understand that no problem as long as it's legal. But why I have to feel like I'm being hassled on the street all the time to buy drugs yeah, right now, that's not it.
Speaker 1:So we went to a few other places and we ended the night at a place called it's kind of the epic bar of Bangkok, so it's the late hours bar that you can come like from 8 in the morning until, and also there, first of all, extremely expensive drinks, and what they actually sell is like balloons filled with, like you know, laughing gas.
Speaker 2:I just know that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then, like, you buy it, you put it in your mouth, you take the gas in and then you get a high Right, everything is around involving around getting high there. You know, I really didn't like the experience, the environment, not only because I'm former drug addict, because I think it's so different from what you have in Pattaya. Pattaya is more yeah, consider the sin city, but it's such a nice city, it's like a village compared to Bangkok, like everyone know, everyone, almost everyone, is friendly, right, and, to tell you the truth, I don't think I will be back to Bangkok no, I understand, sorry to hear that, and yeah, and that is like maybe it's going to be the point.
Speaker 2:That is why tourists doesn't come to travel around Bangkok.
Speaker 1:But there are tourists in Bangkok. I think, like if you count how many tourists actually visit Bangkok compared to Pattaya, bangkok get more tourists, because even people that come to Thailand for 3-4 days, they will stay in Bangkok, they will not even bother to travel around.
Speaker 2:I understand because, like um, um, for some people like to be in freedom more than or have good people around. Yeah of course.
Speaker 1:I think everyone wants good people around.
Speaker 2:Yeah, more than like just go somewhere else and offer you this, offer you that or try to get your how to say that? Like buy you a drink.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but buy me, hey. Hey, can you buy me a drink is something that you hear everywhere. Right, I don't mind that. I don't mind even the pushiness because I can say no. Right, it's not that hard for me to say no if I'm not interested to buy a drink. So I don't mind that. But the whole like it felt wenshi, it felt dirty. I don't know how to explain that uh, yeah, I understand that way.
Speaker 2:It's like, um you know, like put put to you yeah and make you uncomfortable yeah, I felt extremely uncomfortable, though you're right, this is the right word to say.
Speaker 1:The only thing like in my opinion that I do I I did like about bangkok. The only thing I think the food there is amazing. Yeah, it's much more expensive, but like the variety of food that you can get it. You get there like any kind of cuisine. You can think about it, from ethiopian cuisine to whatever you can find, like we just I wanted to eat ramen, right.
Speaker 2:You know, I like Japanese food.
Speaker 1:So the second night, me and Michelle before we went back to Pattaya I told Michelle I want to eat ramen. I looked like in Google and I found the best ramen restaurant, which was like a kilometer and a half from our hotel. We went there and it was like full. They said oh, you didn't make reservation, you cannot go inside, so no problem. And in that street where the restaurant was, the restaurant was called Uma Uma.
Speaker 2:Uma, uma.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so in that the same street where the Uma Uma restaurant is, there were like several restaurants Japanese restaurants right, Uh restaurants right. So we went just to the under one and it was the best japanese food I ever had in my life good, really yeah, it's nice, it was amazing, not that expensive, but still more expensive than pataya, but like a real japanese restaurant, like everything prepared in front of you.
Speaker 1:The chef is in front of you even fucking. Everything that the tvs that were there on the like on the wall, and everything, everything was japanese.
Speaker 2:Yeah so it. It was nice.
Speaker 1:I can't imagine that yeah, and it was a nice experience it's good.
Speaker 2:It's good yeah, it's like um, yeah, some people they just went to somewhere that's nice and they complain about, oh, thailand or somewhere in Thailand, like that's nice, something like that but oh, you mean that there is still a good point yeah, but I mean it's like um much better if you go around. I mean like travel around more than just staying at tourist place.
Speaker 1:So let me understand. If I get you right. You mean that if, let's say, you come to travel to thailand like a general person, decide to take a vacation in thailand and let's say you go to bangkok first and you not feel comfortable, don't think that all thailand is like that.
Speaker 2:You mean this no, yeah, yeah, that's what you can travel around and go other places yes, yeah, that's what I mean, because, um, that is not only thing it happened in thailand, because, like it's have more about people, more cap people you know in thailand so much better to go around more looking some places like for you.
Speaker 1:Okay, and have a good time if, if let's someone, let's say even from our listeners right, ask you what are your three number one places that you have to visit? What would you recommend Like cities, let's say you don't have to say like certain points in each city.
Speaker 2:I got to say, like I have some places I can say very nice, but I've never been before. I want to be. It's about like northern north Thailand which city it's like um Chiang.
Speaker 1:Mai.
Speaker 2:Okay, so number one, let's say Chiang Mai yeah, what's your number two number two is, um, I just know like probably Rayon. Okay, in my opinion, rayon you like Rayon Rayon, because I've said that before.
Speaker 1:Yeah it's kind of an industrial city. You know, there are many factories over there. I don't know about it really like the whole south, the whole west area of Rayon is like full of factories. Yeah, but Like the whole south, the whole west area of Rayong is like full of factories.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I mean it's like for the place, like quiet place, and yeah, it's quieter than Pattaya, of course, and you still have some nightlife over there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have some, but it's like Pattaya, of course it's like all night. Nothing is like Pattaya. Yeah, I'd say yeah, of course that's like all night. Nothing is like Patea. But yeah, I prefer to be there because I've stayed there before and I feel like to be honest, the place had the beach, okay, but that's like a busy beach. Not many people. You can stay and then relax, yeah.
Speaker 1:And also, from there you can go to Koh Samet, if you want, for a night or two. I've been to Koh Samet before Me too. Yeah, it was okay. Actually, when me and my ex were thinking about buying a house in Thailand, we looked into Rayong, into Ban Chang. You know Ban Chang.
Speaker 2:I know Ban Chang.
Speaker 1:So we were looking to buy a house over there. Eventually we decided not to. But, yeah, this is like. If I need to choose where to live, I think rayong will be like ban chang, or maybe satahip will be the right area for me because it's not too far from pataya, but it's still not main city pataya, which can be sometimes very overwhelming yeah, yeah, it's like a village and you can stay for a normal life. You can have a normal life here also.
Speaker 2:Yes, it's like you don't wake up all night like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's not like the city that doesn't sleep like Pattaya. There are actually certain hours that you will prefer to sleep over there. So you said Chiang Mai Raiyong and there are actually certain hours that you will prefer to sleep over there.
Speaker 2:So so you said Chiang Mai Rayong and it's hard to get three, but of course, my home, zanaburi, really.
Speaker 1:I don't know about other places, so you will not recommend Pattaya for new goers. You mean like for Someone that never been to Thailand.
Speaker 2:Pattaya. I gotta say Pattaya gotta be like, happen in everyone's mind Like yeah.
Speaker 1:You think everyone knows about Pattaya? Yeah.
Speaker 2:Not know, but about like okay, the place I would like to go when I come to Thailand would be like Pattaya. Okay, that is just like I think many people have a plan about that.
Speaker 1:We actually had a conversation about this. I think it's you're kind of right and kind of wrong.
Speaker 1:I will explain what you mean. So yeah, Pattaya is a known city in Thailand, but many people, especially when they come with families, try to avoid Pattaya Because Pattaya have like a bad name. You know that, as we said before, people think that the only thing you can do here is drinking and fucking and partying all night, which is absolutely not true. Not true. The next I think the next episode after this actually, we are going to do with Scott about what we can do in Pattaya other than partying.
Speaker 1:Ah, yeah so we will not expose everything right now, but we we also enjoy some activities that not not include drinking and stuff like that, because, listen, for people that stay here more than a short vacation, you cannot drink every day no, you can't, you will just get obliterated. Yeah so you're healthy.
Speaker 2:It's not healthy and also it tends to be very expensive, because when you're drinking you're spending right too much so I prefer my home, maybe for for visit some place and then, like you can see how it's thing like different, different way from like, I mean, it's like bangkok and that's yeah, it's completely different, completely different. It's like a yeah, sorry, more about about like a foreign natural place okay like nature nature.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, and my home so it's had like river in my home is more like mountain and river like that. So it is maybe people would like to visit for me, like shoot out okay and see how different you want to say where is your home?
Speaker 1:Like not the village, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Sorry. Where is your home? Chantaburi, chantaburi, chantaburi. Yes, okay, I know. Where is that? Do you want to explain to the listeners?
Speaker 2:Chantaburi is near by Thrat.
Speaker 1:Okay, and Chantaburi yeah. So it's almost Cambodia already Almost.
Speaker 2:Almost Cambodia, almost Cambodia. It's almost the border. Yeah, I'm staying near Cambodia.
Speaker 1:What do you think about what's going on now with Cambodia?
Speaker 2:For me, it's just more about people that have a hard life more.
Speaker 1:No, I mean, you heard that there is like altercation between thailand and cambodia right now. I heard I heard that because, again, there are some like lands that they don't agree. Who should have those lands? Right the same old story that happened all over the world. What do you think about that like? Because for me, I always thought like Thai people and Cambodian people are almost the same. They're like brothers, you know, cousins. Okay, not brothers, but cousins.
Speaker 2:For me it's like just the way the place is, like in Thailand, so I don't know what is true, what is the real history from that place. But I'm gonna say, like people who come to Thailand for work from Cambodia yeah, cambodian people come to Thailand for working, so they have to go back or Cambodian people I mean, it's like Cambodian clothes to not, it's like Cambodian clothes to not Thai people to move like travel around, but you do feel that Cambodians are like the cousins of the Thai.
Speaker 1:You also think that for me.
Speaker 2:I have like I have how to say that, like like an uncle, or yeah, they are like relatives, yeah, like this. They are from Cambodia. Yeah, they are like relatives, yeah, like this they they are from Cambodia.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're from Cambodia.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so even the families are like mixed sometimes, yeah yeah, sometimes, but for me I doesn't need them for long for the last time it's like I'm just a baby okay but still, you have family there. Yeah, yeah, but I know I have family in Cambodia yeah so I feel like, yeah, that's a feeling good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and also many Thais, especially in the provinces that near Cambodia, can speak Khmer.
Speaker 2:Many of them Like my ex all of her family.
Speaker 1:most of the time when they speak with each other, they don't even speak Thai.
Speaker 2:They speak Khmer family most of the time when they speak each other, with each other. They don't even speak thai, they speak america. So yeah, so there is this like um home home language yeah more than you speak thai because, like um kamehameha language, this is feel comfortable more to speak, of course, because you grew into it right yeah, but for me I'm, I can't you cannot I, I just speak a little, not enough to understand, like if I put you in cambodia.
Speaker 1:No you cannot you just result to speaking thai and english?
Speaker 2:yes, because um I'm gonna say like a new generation. Then maybe it's like I wasn't really interested about kmer language. Okay, I can understand some, but you know I don't like to speak.
Speaker 1:I understand that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So that's why I try to.
Speaker 1:Because my home they are, they can't speak Khmer, I think because many Cambodian people come to Pattatea to walk in the bars also. Oh, yeah right, so I think you can learn from them a little bit, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it should be like that because I'm staying nearby and but for people who I met from Cambodia. So, yeah, like quiet, like to be quiet and feeling like they are shy to talk with, so that's why I never had like friend from cambodian okay I understand that I'm working, but yeah, I'm working with them, so I know them. Know some people, but not many okay.
Speaker 1:Yes, I have another question for you, not Not about this subject, so me, michelle and Scott, we were wondering.
Speaker 2:So how serious is that with that guy.
Speaker 1:Now this question yeah, is it? Yeah, really, because we spoke about it. Hey, where is Pim? What's going on? Normally, pim meets us almost every day. We go eating together, we go party together, we go party together, we go wherever. Now we don't see Pim anymore. Yeah, I understand. I'm going to say Like from zero to ten. How serious is that right now?
Speaker 2:For now it's like 50-50. Can I say it like that?
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Before. I'm feeling like I'm almost like 100, almost 100 serious, but I feel like when what is going on?
Speaker 1:for now I feel like I could like play serious more okay because, um, it doesn't feeling comfortable if it's too serious, you know oh, you feel like you're too invested in that and then you just took a step back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, okay so because, because it's as like, not as like, but it's his first time about that, first time to have like boyfriend can say like I don't know how people treat each other when they're being, I can tell you what not to do.
Speaker 1:What not to do Don't yack, yack, don't slap him Really. Don't yack, yack, don't slap him. Don't drink too much, that's it, just be normal. Watch Netflix together, go eat together, have fun together.
Speaker 2:You know three of things you said he did everything, really he did so. He yaki yaki you, he slap you not not slap like, but you know um a bit aggressive, like push you or something like that no, no, no, just like a play, it's like a place, okay, I guess, like that if play is fun, have fun, you know.
Speaker 1:But about and drinking too much, yes, oh, I'm sorry, it's all right. It's all right. That's not a good recipe for a delicious relationship. You know what I mean, I understand. But, Especially because you're not drinking too much.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:So if both of the Like the couple together they're drinking, okay, it might work. You know they just get drunk together and enjoy.
Speaker 2:It's like a spark together.
Speaker 1:Yeah but if just one person is drinking and the other one is not, so into drinking.
Speaker 2:It's just feeling like a contrast about how is growing a lifestyle.
Speaker 1:And you think now it's more easy for you to get into a relationship because you're not walking the bars anymore. No, I mean, I will explain what I mean. So, as we spoke about Scott before, it's very difficult for him to get into a relationship because many of the girls that he meets are actually walking the bars. So if he doesn't want them to go with other customers, he has to buy them off the bar.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:And then he has to take care of them. So immediately, from zero relationship it turns out to be 100% relationship, because that person completely relies on you.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:I understand Because, okay, I don't want you to work, so how would I have money? And like all those stuff. And because you're not working in the bar, I think you're more available for relationship right now, because if you meet someone it will be just natural. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:For me it's like I gotta say I change my mind. You mean like opening check, or it's like before I think, okay, probably maybe I'm not working a bar and maybe I have. You have you seem for head relationship, you know. But for me now it's like doesn't, doesn't drift in doesn't want is. It doesn't drift in how to can have relationship you're less interested in relationship now.
Speaker 1:Huh, you feel you feel like you're less interested in relationship now not less, not less.
Speaker 2:I feel in the same way in a bar, but for me it's like what is going on is different, because I think it depends on the person more than about what you do. Okay, yeah. No matter what if you work in a bar, but you have luck with love.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but this is what I'm asking you you think it's more easy to find a real relationship with someone that is not working in the bar because not have all this pressure of she has to work, she has to make money, she has to go with new customers and then you know, you don't think it's like more natural environment to meet people and go on dates with people that not walk in the bus?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's more. I mean it's like more to be have relationship easy Because, like you don't have to worry about oh, where she's going or where who my girlfriend can stay with. I'm feeling like for bar girls they're working and they know what they do.
Speaker 1:Of course, the men also know, this is how they meet them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not like oh, I go to the bar and this girl really likes me and we are going to my room and whatever you know. No, of course you know he paid for that. He knows this is her job. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And it's like a business sometimes. So it's just doesn't nice to do with relationship, like real relationship. But for me I'm feeling like I get. I get better. I mean it's better for relationship feeling so because I can. Before, when I'm talking with some guys they always say like oh, because you're working a bar, you're gonna meet a guy.
Speaker 1:Oh you have customers wait, wait. Say again I, I need you to be specific. He said so you meet some guy. And then what he said to you, I mean it's like before, when I work in a bar when you're still working.
Speaker 2:Yeah, when I'm still working a bar and then like I'm just get like many equation from you have a the same creation from many guys like text me like you have customer tonight or you're gonna go out with a guy. Oh and feeling like and feeling like you doesn't trust me.
Speaker 1:It's like oh wait, so you mean someone that you're already seeing? Yeah, and he always asks you what you're doing, what you're someone that you're already seeing, and he always asks you what are you doing? What are you doing? What are?
Speaker 2:you doing, not like that, but it just makes the creation to be like feeling uncomfortable to have a relationship, because much more one person should be able to stay with one person. But when ladies work in a bar have to make money, yeah, you have a customer going out and then like, if someone you really like to be in the relationship, but they, you know you work in a bar, you have to meet guy for money, yeah, so they're gonna make like bad job, you know what I mean. Like bad joke with creation. Like you're going to have customer tonight like that. How many customer you have ask like that? And the feeling like, yeah, that's why.
Speaker 1:But this normally happen in a long distance relationship. So when this guy is not longer in Thailand, right, he's back home and he's still curious about what's going on with you. Yeah, yeah, it's like that. Yeah, but I guess it's not. First of all, it doesn't matter if it's with thai lady or any other person in the world. It's very hard to maintain long distance relationship.
Speaker 1:Very hard because there is the time difference, there is the cultural difference, there is also the fact that you know people not trust each other sometimes yeah because normally long distance relationship happen in the first phase of the relationship, especially in cities like Pattaya or all those places in the world, and then you still didn't, you don't have, you don't have like a trust, trust relationship because oh, I don't know her enough, I don't know, maybe she's lying to me, maybe she's using me, maybe what, whatnot? And the girl think the same.
Speaker 2:Maybe he's lying to me, maybe he's using me, maybe he's like yeah, it's what happened with me before you had a long distance relationship before yeah, and I'm feeling like, um sorry, it's like more, more than more than happen. It's just like doesn't have relationship because it doesn't work if you still that's a trash order. You know what I mean. Yeah, but let's say in.
Speaker 1:If in that certain relationship, he told you okay, pim, I need to go home, I buy you out of the bar and I give you, let's say, 30 000 every month, go back home. Would you feel more comfortable in that relationship? For, for that thing, it's just like not because of the money, because you don't have to work, I mean yeah, yeah, everyone like had to work.
Speaker 2:I mean it. Yeah, yeah, everyone like had to work. I mean it's like cannot. If someone do that to me, I'm going to say, like you cannot stop me to working, maybe I'm going to work as like a normal job.
Speaker 1:Normal job? Okay, yeah, but he will tell you listen, don't stay in Pattaya, please. Yeah, go out of Pattaya. I don't want you to stay here, because I know you're beautiful. People will come to you in the street and they will want to stay with you and it's very tempting, you know, okay, I can make another five thousand, but I can make another four thousand, but you know, for me it's like if you, if you know you really like this guy, really love this guy to be in a relationship, you know, but I don't know him enough yet.
Speaker 1:Huh, let's say, you just met him, I, you don't know him for many, many years. Yeah, that's a really cool weeks, maybe a few months.
Speaker 2:That's a really close. Yeah, I understand that. That's like you have to make sure you probably think about money or about relationship. If I'm going to say, if I prefer, if I'm just thinking about money, I need this money. So maybe say no.
Speaker 1:You would rather still working in the bar and make money, or still not in the bar but still freelance, like go with customers for money sometimes maybe that maybe that way is easy, okay.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I had like, um, I'm just in the, uh, I'm just in that guy then like I'm at the bar, yeah, and then I'm doesn't do freelance and I do freelance after that, and then like until wait, wait.
Speaker 1:So you stay with him. You're not walking the ball anymore. He go back home and you still freelance, sometimes when he don't know uh, that before not not the last time okay, uh-huh so for last time it's like feeling trust each other more than but what is going on?
Speaker 2:is this bad? Bad part, I gotta say it's just that thing happened about um, the weather and experience on this time is on this holiday doesn't really well but we are talking about the same guy. Oh my god so it is like more than I can trust with about what he said.
Speaker 1:So if before you trust him, 100 now you're not trusting 100 anymore it's.
Speaker 2:It's like a trust in the way relationship doesn't like this trust in the way customer come see me like that yeah, I'm not saying a customer, yeah, yeah, all this conversation, I didn't call him a customer, yeah I call him your guy, right? So I feel feel like I have feeling less trust in the relationship.
Speaker 1:May I ask what he did to make you feel that?
Speaker 2:Okay, you're going to say it.
Speaker 1:You don't have to say specific, but in general.
Speaker 2:Just let me just leave me alone in the room going on Really For, say, like full one week.
Speaker 1:And you wanted to go out with him. Yeah, and he didn't even offer you.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:What the fuck.
Speaker 2:No, it's like the time is different and the plan is we have plan. It's like I have my plan, he has his plan.
Speaker 1:I understand, but you wanted to hang out with him yeah, try to. You know you wanted you said, if you want to go out, I want to go with him, right?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah and he didn't offer to you it's about like um, maybe it's like I'm coming back to the room late because I'm going to meet a friend, we do the podcast, and when I get back it's like he's gone already.
Speaker 1:And then I try to contact but he doesn't and you think he's fucking around for before you suspect not think Like try to contact but he doesn't.
Speaker 2:And you think he's fucking around For before.
Speaker 1:No, like you suspect not think you suspect that he's fucking around.
Speaker 2:For first. I probably don't think about that For first. That's happened with me. It's like maybe he did that Because it's just many times, it's more than just one time time. We did like three or three times, but for now it's like no matter what, if you doesn't know him that well, you should too.
Speaker 1:Doesn't really trust and make you feeling like he's mine, but like feeling like okay, we just start yeah, you know, I was speaking with scott about this, so he gave like an example not example, but he said like when he came to patria, this time he actually came for someone special. There was one lady boy that he really liked and he left everything behind and he came here in order to meet her, right, and things didn't work out and they didn't hang like, it didn't become like a couple. I don't think they even meet more than two times, three times. But he said to me the other day that if everything worked out, worked out between them when he came to Pattaya, he think he will still be with her and it might be a really long relationship. And I said no, you're lying. So why am I lying? I say why am I lying? I say because for guys, when they come to Pattaya, there is a lot of temptation, right, yeah, first I know. Let's say you and me, for example, let's say I know you for a long time, right? And then I'm excited, I'm hey, pim, soon I come Pattaya to stay with you, right, and you're beautiful and I'm happy with you, and we stay together and we go out.
Speaker 1:And then I see, oh, yeah, there is another lady or lady boy that I like, and another and another, you know, and the temptation here is very real because you actually can be. If you have the right money, you can be with everyone, exactly. So I'm not sure that if he would be with that girl he will not fuck around. Not, I'm not saying all guys fuck around, I'm just saying that the temptation is very big. It's very accessible here, by the way, also for the ladies and the lady boys that work here, because, let's be honest, most of the guys that you will end up in a relationship with will be much older than you. Sorry, okay, so, but most of the guys that you will end up in relationship with them will be much older than you. Wait, not as good looking as you, right, yeah, maybe they have money, but that's it. And for you, you also oh, that's thai guy is very handsome, or, oh, I like this farang, like he's handsome.
Speaker 2:Also, there are temptations for you, yeah, yeah so it's very hard it's very hard remember this city does involve drinking a lot.
Speaker 1:So when you're drunk you feel like, okay, I'm ready to party, I want to like to meet someone. Yeah, I understand that's a problem. That's a problem. Also, I'm not saying that relationship in Pattaya cannot work. They can. They most certainly can work. Yeah, they can. They most certainly can walk.
Speaker 1:But it have to be first of all, you have to start from the right place that both sides actually attracted to each other, not only because of the money or because of the age difference or what not, and actually they have things in common that they like to do like a regular relationship. For example, if you never walked in Pattaya and you still stay in your hometown, you will go out with guys that are actually interested for you, right? Oh, he likes the same movies I like. Oh, he reads the same books. Oh, he does the same activities I do, like there is something in common and I'm attracted to him.
Speaker 1:I'm not thinking about his money. I'm thinking about oh, he's good looking, I want to have sex with him. You know what I mean? Yeah, I know. So this has to be the base for a relationship here, in my opinion, in order for a relationship to work here and that's not happening many times. No, no, no, because again I can guess, without even knowing that the average age of your customers, the average right, the average age age of your customers is about 45, maybe 50 it's like a start from more, less from 30.
Speaker 1:30. Start, 30., 30. And maximum.
Speaker 2:Maximum 70?
Speaker 1:Probably yeah. So if we find the middle, it's about 50.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's about 50, 45.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it's even a bit more than 50. It doesn't matter, but this is the average age of the guys that you are seeing here. Right, and I know for a fact that ladies in the bars, ladies and ladyboys, when a young man comes in the bar, even if he's not that good looking, but, they are excited.
Speaker 1:Oh, he's a young guy, there is even competition who will get him? You know what I'm talking about. Yeah, I know, I know. So this is something that I think can work. This is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:If there is not a big age gap. For example, me and my ex, there was only one year between us. One year, one year. So I met her when I was 29, something like that, and she was 28. Oh, oh, I was 30 and she was 29. So there is not much age difference, right, we did have some things in common, right? And immediately I told her okay, I'm going back, we are not a couple yet. I came again, I met her again, stayed with her. Okay, I'm going back, we are not a couple yet. I came again, I met her again, stayed with her the whole time, went home again, and then I told her listen, I'm coming in a few months. When I'm coming, I want two things I want to meet your family and I want to take you out of the bar, because until then I knew she's seeing other guys, she's going with customers, she's whatnot, right. But then she went out of the bar and then we started planning Okay, I want you to come to my country.
Speaker 1:Ah, so I think I made it the right way, you know Right way, yeah, Not just for example I will not say names, but someone that just first time came to Pattaya and then, oh, I'm in love with this girl, I'm going to spend my whole life with her, blah, blah, blah, and he's just investing everything he have. I understand, you think that's healthy, huh? You think it's healthy for the guy, like for the girls?
Speaker 2:it's amazing she get a lot of money, a lot of gold. It's the dream, right? Yes, I dream, but forget that, because most likely he will lose everything yeah, it's like um feeling, feeling happy with with that, and like the point is you have to spend money and you don't really know the other person yeah, yeah, but it's like much more to learn people, but not like just just trying to know the other guy, man, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's, it's difficult. How many people, for example, how many good relationships you know that started in Pattaya, Long, lasting relationship.
Speaker 2:You mean like I know some people have.
Speaker 1:That have relationship still going on, like maybe three years, four years, five years, six years with France.
Speaker 2:Me. No, no, people that you know, People that I know, I mean I think I doesn't say who.
Speaker 1:You don't have to say the name, but you know anyone that actually have successful okay five yeah.
Speaker 2:I know, I know for some, but it's like lesson for over a year, but more than like happen stay for two months and they end.
Speaker 1:Yeah if you would have to say what is the number reason of relationship that ends in Pattaya.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I think probably they're over here. No, no no.
Speaker 1:What is the number one reason? Number one reason yeah, yeah, sorry that relationship ends in yeah I think about the job that working a bar is the first reason that the lady is still working the bar, and it's hard for the guy and hard for the girl also yeah, it's hard for each other would you say, like if? If someone would ask me, I would say in my opinion is the money factor yeah, this is what I mean, like uh because sometimes the girls think, okay, you want to talk with me every day.
Speaker 1:You're back home, right, but you still want to talk with me every day. You don't want I go with people. When I do go with people, you fucking continue. Send me message every two minutes. What's going on? You want me to call you video all the time? Show you, at least pay for me, right, the minimum you can do is give me like 30 000. Okay, then maybe I can say I just work for drinks, right, I still would fuck around, but you would. You wouldn't know.
Speaker 1:But it's this I'm not doing like long times you know, but the money I think is the most is the biggest cause of relationship to ends in Pattaya.
Speaker 2:I think so because, like what has happened is like when I meet people like terrorists and they like to talk about like, okay, they're inspiring about girl ladies, little boy and kids behind they like it More. The problem is about money. Yeah, it's like they're feeling spend a lot of money but they doesn't get love.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you cannot buy love. Love is not obtained by money, so we don't have much more time, so anything you want to say to our listeners so I gotta say this is the first time. I've come around thank you everyone.
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