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Between Sois and Stages: The Bar Life Chronicles in Pattaya and BKK
Step behind the velvet curtain of Thailand's nightlife with June, a captivating PR manager at KRU ladyboy agogo who takes us on a journey through her 17-year career spanning Bangkok's infamous Nana Plaza to Pattaya's evolving entertainment scene.
June's candid insights reveal how Pattaya's entertainment geography is shifting dramatically - Walking Street now caters predominantly to Indian and Chinese tourists while western visitors flock to Soi Bukhao, creating a new cultural hotspot where ladyboy venues thrive in an intimate community atmosphere. Her perspective as both former performer and current manager offers a rare glimpse into the business mechanics of Thailand's bar scene, from drink quotas and bar fines to the pressure workers face maintaining their energy night after night.
The conversation delves deep into societal perceptions around ladyboys and the men who date them. Despite June's optimistic view that acceptance has grown, we explore the persistent stigma that leads some men to hide their relationships with ladyboys even while frequenting venues together. These moments of cultural analysis are balanced with practical insights about operating a successful ladyboy bar during low season and the delicate psychology of creating a comfortable customer experience.
What makes this discussion truly special is June's unfiltered honesty about both her personal journey and the industry at large. She challenges assumptions about ladyboy relationships, shares firsthand accounts of discrimination, and offers thoughtful observations about how economic pressures are reshaping tourism throughout Thailand.
Whether you're planning a visit to Thailand's nightlife districts or simply curious about the human stories behind the neon signs, June's perspective will forever change how you view this fascinatingly complex world. Listen in, then come visit her at KRU in Soi Bukhao - where the hosts themselves are regular visitors!
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Hello everyone and welcome back to my Thai Wife podcast. Yeah, now you can see me and you can see my guests also. Sadly, I'm still doing it without my lovely, lively wife. Sunari Pim is not here today. She had to go with her boyfriend to Ko Chang. So she will be here next week and I'm not sure yet if this is going to be the regular format, that we are going to do it in video right now from now on. But we will see. It also depends on your support, guys. So thank you very much, and I have two special guests. I will start with the most important one, which is June. Hello, june, how are you doing? I'm very good and we have Michelle again. What's up, brother?
Speaker 2:she's not here. I hope she have a good time with her boyfriend.
Speaker 1:I think she does. But every time I spoke with her for the last week, every time she was in the room and she's fucking, she's in the like in the island. You know why are you in the room? She said no, it was raining. I'm lazy. I say fuck lazy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can't stay in Pattaya in the room, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:What is the reason to make the holiday? Maybe he's lazy and she's shy to say. As long as maybe they do something in the room and they are busy in the room, I cannot ask those kinds of questions at least not offline.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but she seems happy, they also. She also took him first time to meet her family wow, so that's serious.
Speaker 2:How long they are together, I'm not sure. I'm not sure.
Speaker 1:So if you guess, like three months, I know she knows him for a few years I don't know how many and this is the first time they actually went there. So congratulations, people, I guess. Okay, it's getting more serious.
Speaker 2:If you meet the parents, it's damn serious and most of the time it costs you money too. As a foreigner you need to spend some money.
Speaker 1:I'm sure he did, but I don't know how much, and this is up to him and between them.
Speaker 2:Of course, but I don't know how much. And this is up to him and between them, Of course. But you can't go with empty pockets to the family, that's for sure.
Speaker 1:I know, believe me with my ex-wife.
Speaker 2:I remember that like $100 here, $100 here, $100 here. Maybe you invite, like the parents, so you invite the entire family, so you know they have children, then they have cousins.
Speaker 1:No, no, luckily. So everybody comes, everybody comes children, then they have cousins, no, no, luckily. So everybody come, everybody come. So, luckily for me, when I met my ex-wife parents they were actually walking, so they weren't in their own province, they were in another province just her mother, her father and her sister and a niece.
Speaker 2:So it's lucky yeah, yeah, it was not that expensive for me this time will is gonna be a little bit yeah yeah, and you will be an attraction because you're kind of an alien. They're not see so many foreigners there.
Speaker 1:Well, my ex-wife already showed them some foreigners before, I'm not the first one.
Speaker 2:Okay, she was extremely popular back in the days, all right, all right, I get the point so, june, I'll start with you because I want to tell you something.
Speaker 1:We were trying to make this podcast happen for, I think, at least months, months and a half, something like that. So first of all, I want to thank you for coming, and I'm sure it's going to be a great show, and you got the privilege to be actually in the first video podcast that we are doing. It's never been done before by us, and all thanks to Michel. So we are using his own equipment that he normally uses for other kinds of video stuff, and I told Michel already. So I met you a few times already. Yes, we do, but I never ask you personal questions because I want to learn about you here right now on the podcast. I think it's much more interesting. And first of all, can you tell me about yourself, the basic, like how long you stay in Pattaya, what you do before in the walk?
Speaker 3:So then I am living in Bangkok for 17 years, or something like that. The first is after that I live there quite long and then after that I moved to Pattaya about like three years already, not really moving, but I just be here like Pattaya and Bangkok, up, down, up down.
Speaker 1:Okay, so you're between the cities, between.
Speaker 3:Bangkok and Pattaya. So, then on the weekend I'm in Pattaya, like I have my work here for three days a week, but normally just go there every day. Can we talk about your?
Speaker 1:work. Why not so soon, soon, soon. I want to make sure that it's okay. So, and when you are not in Pattaya, what are you doing? Some week, week on the week, I am in Bangkok, yeah, but in you're not working, you're just staying with your friends, family or, uh, I, I'm stay alone, but every work is okay, okay. We can say that. By the way, in my podcast we can say everything.
Speaker 3:Believe me, with Michelle podcast, we said much more worse things than that yeah, unfortunately, because, like in bangkok I usually is, I work in bangkok like I work the freelancer like on the website okay, so then, so we are talking thai friendly uh, not really on thai friendly on the website oh, so okay we have the page or the website of oh, it's like an escort service exactly okay.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's cool, that's nice how long you work like that.
Speaker 3:I think it's before COVID.
Speaker 1:Okay, so 2016, so about six years.
Speaker 3:About it.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:Yes, something like that. But before I worked the bar like I would go bar in Nana Prasa you were working there as a dancer. Yeah, like a dancer. Okay, about like when I moved to bangkok is 17 years already about then I started work in nana prasa cascade bar I never been, so I never been to bangkok and michelle knows that.
Speaker 2:No, I have already. The question Is Cascade Bar they still exist or the Inanna Plaza?
Speaker 3:Inanna Plaza.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's on the third floor. Oh, it's still there. It's now they're closed already. They're closed already.
Speaker 3:They're closed already because it's about like after COVID.
Speaker 2:No, after you left.
Speaker 3:So after you left, nobody go there.
Speaker 2:No, so, likeune is gone, we can close the bar. No point to go, we have other hundred ladyboys not important we need june that's why they're close.
Speaker 3:Yeah, seriously, because maybe that time is the business not really okay because of the covid and yeah, so then it. Then it just sold out. Now they changed the bar. Okay, so, and after that, about five, six years, yeah, I changed. I worked like a freelancer escort.
Speaker 1:And now I know this is where I met you normally. I know you work at the KRU right, which is Katuia's ass. It's Lady Boy, agogo.
Speaker 3:Yes, ladyboyagogo, because now I move here to be work like PR manager.
Speaker 1:Okay, so you are not working as a dancer anymore. No, you're basically in charge of everything. Yes, we can say about not including the money. So everything in the promotion and with the customers and so like what is with the customer? No, what is your work If you need to define, like, what is a PR manager? What do you do over there?
Speaker 3:Usually the PR manager. I'd be like look after customer, take a customer in the bar, so I'd be help the girl as well. Like to train them as well how to take care of customers too. Like try to make customers feel comfortable. Talk with the customer with girls like a mama-san, do Okay, same. Like let's call the manager too, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you are more than a mama-san.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm more than mama-san.
Speaker 2:And you make it your own style. So I never have like the feeling like that you'll be the mama's son is more like you welcome everyone with your special attitude to the bar, right so, and you link with them first and then you sit them down on the table. Yeah, then, and then they, they drink immediately because they want to join the conversation with you and you're even pointing out that you want to have a drink.
Speaker 2:Somehow some other girls say hello, come to you, right, and then you will see in which direction his taste go. And then he's sitting down, maybe with you and the girl, or only with a different girl, but it's always like that. But as I saw it just as a customer, I always think, like you are the the first one that that comes most of the time in touch with, especially with new customers, right?
Speaker 1:yes, exactly every time I've been there I saw you so busy like no, really moving from a table to a table and each in each table. She had her own drink right. So she come from my table. I see that she drink one sip. She go to other table one sip she go to other table.
Speaker 3:One sip right.
Speaker 1:That's why I love it too. Free drinks everywhere. Yeah, no, it's fun. By the way, for the guys that don't know, the KLU moved, so it used to be in Soi Diamond.
Speaker 3:Yeah, before it from Soi Diamond. So now we moved to Soi Bukau.
Speaker 2:now yeah, and it was actually long, long time in Soy Diamond right. Wow, I asked the owner. He said to me like eight years.
Speaker 3:Nine years.
Speaker 1:Nine years over there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was a really established place already and I think it was the first Lady Boy AgoGo in the Walking Street, oh, in the Walking Street.
Speaker 1:Yeah, in the Walking Street Before. Yeah, because I think if you consider Baby Boom a go-go, so Baby Boom was also running for many years. Okay, yeah before.
Speaker 3:Baby Boom is, I think is I know Baby Boom about like. Before Josh died yeah, before Josh died is 12, 12 years.
Speaker 2:Something like that. Yeah, I don't even know what you're talking about, because I've not been that time.
Speaker 1:But you heard stories about Baby Boom. No, never, no what you're talking about, because I'm not being that time, but you heard stories about baby boom? No, never, no. So it used to be the most hands-on and crazy place. Really, I'm not joking lady boys, or it was like a mixed bar, only lady boys. Okay, and some of, like some, are very known lady boys. I will not say the name because some of the ladyboys I know from them died already so I don't want to disrespect them.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, sure, sure. But it used to be very hands-on. I remember I went there with my ex one time and she just immediately went out. Why? Because there were like three guys sucking off the ladyboys over there right in the bar. Really, wow, that sounds like the thing that shocked her the most. One of the guests order a drink and she asked the lady asked do you want me to stir it for you? And he said yeah, of course. So she pulled her cock out, put inside the drink, stirred the drink and gave him to drink.
Speaker 2:Oh, my god, oh my god, yeah, that sounds like a crazy place yeah, we have to reopen it I see before.
Speaker 3:Yes, you've been there before, right?
Speaker 1:yeah, I saw that yeah, but josh was extremely nice guy and we all miss him long time already yeah, yeah, wow, but it was, I think, one of the most crazy goggles you can find. And if we compare it to care you and this is what I want to touch on care you is not that hands hands-on, it's very it's have a lot of class right, it's very classy place.
Speaker 3:Usually it's not. We cannot call it a classy place because I think, okay, let's say the Katoa artist, we do agogoba.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 3:So we like a dancing girl.
Speaker 1:Yes, but it's very.
Speaker 3:Because we cannot.
Speaker 2:You so not so much touchy, but of course I put the more than that right.
Speaker 1:More than that. Yeah, the girls always wear very nice clothes. Normally, no one is getting naked over there, right?
Speaker 3:it's very like. Yeah, of course, if you want to make it, yeah, maybe like when it's like a birthday and someone get totally wasted.
Speaker 2:So then you see, maybe something yeah, but that you can see it everybody in pata yeah, come on, yeah, it's like a special event, but no, on a, on a normal, on a normal day, you would never see.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, never down right, yeah, that's that's right and I think, the only difference now, in my opinion, that this place is actually the new place. I think it's better because the old place was so big yes, it was a huge place, right, and now it's a bit more intimate, right.
Speaker 3:And I think it's much better for the girls also, because then they can be close with the customer more and then, if the customer can see them closer, and I tell you my grief with the old place.
Speaker 1:So let's say I went and it was a quiet day, right, and you had a huge stage over there and all the ladyboys are standing over there. And let's say I'm there, have the place, only have three customers right now. All eyes on you, everyone is just staring you waiting for a drink. It's kind of scary, you know. And now the stage is small, it's not that intimidating as it used to be.
Speaker 2:Yes, and you don't need many people that it looks full actually.
Speaker 1:No, not at all.
Speaker 3:I think the new bars quite work a lot.
Speaker 2:So you think it worked better than the old one?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think it's really better than the old one.
Speaker 1:Yes, and also, I think, now, me and Michel actually spoke about it yesterday. So two points. First of all, he point out that you have the best sign in all, pattaya yeah, for anybody, they're amazing.
Speaker 2:Yes, it's a huge sign how many meters?
Speaker 1:I think it's like four meters, three meters.
Speaker 2:Sign something like that, no, I mean when mark saw. No, you show me the outlet before you even open it and I think, like the long one is even like 12 meters long or something, yeah, yeah and then you have the one that's like square, but the one who goes down the entire building.
Speaker 1:I sing like you cannot miss it, like no big and it's beautiful it is. It is Many colors, it's really draws your eyes there. Yeah right, and the second thing that you pointed out was basically that wait, I forget my point one second that soy bocao is the hot spot exactly for ladybugs right yeah, it's like that.
Speaker 2:So before it was a little bit like more stretched out. So you have a few still a few agogos in the walking street right and there are still many after you guys left and then we have so many bars they actually open. So now it's really like all the people that we know they're living here and we always meet if we're going out even new tourists in the bars.
Speaker 2:So it's like everybody starts the night, at least here yeah, yeah, so and and then you get to know each other and then it's like it's more like for ladyboy lovers, is like it's like really sobo cow is is the hot spot.
Speaker 1:Yeah no doubt about that, not, not? I think, not only for ladyboy lovers, I think almost for everyone, because it used to be the walking street. But the walking street is not the same walking street it used to be before. Now it's full. It's changed his culture, let's say like that it's full of people from other places and there are not many European foreigners over there anymore, so it's more Indians and, I think, more Arabs also.
Speaker 3:Indian more and like a Chinese as well.
Speaker 2:The.
Speaker 1:Chinese.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you put it on the list, I would say like number one at the moment is like India. And then, yeah, china. I would say China, korean is kind of same. Sorry to say it, but it's like similar right, you mean they're all looking same to you.
Speaker 2:Yes, for me it's hard to define right, so it's like similar right. I love people. You mean they're all looking the same to you. Yes, for me it's hard to define right, so it's hard to define. So I always ask like, hey, is it Korean or is it Chinese?
Speaker 3:But usually we cannot say like Chinese or Korean, you know, because they're quite similar, yeah, yeah, that's why. But we just listen to language.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but come on, it's the same like if someone come from germany and someone come from belgium or the netherlands. So if you not speak to them and you not hear the accent, you also, but it's hard to guess. You know what I mean. So, especially like european, it's also hard to tell. You know, some european could be from australia, so it's not it's like you know. Yes, you know what I mean mean. So it's actually just a natural thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I think, as we said before, soi Bokar really became the new hub right, because if you walk around El Kemeto, soi Pothol and also Soi Bokar itself, it's always and Treetown.
Speaker 2:By the way, we went there yesterday it was nice you see more foreigners that are western rather than other areas.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right now. So yeah, it's, it's great, I think it's it's. I'll tell it more than that. I think, now that everything is more compact to a single area, it's much better for us as people that enjoy to go out so we don't have to drive so far and no, you just do everything by walking right yeah, and you can always like explore, like different bars.
Speaker 2:If you just say you go out, uh, today, and then you decided to go out the the next day, you not have to visit the same bar you can have a completely different trip right in the same area because there are so many right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, A lot Like many Ladyboy bars as well. Yeah, but not only as I said. The bar, the beer bar. The same thing Yesterday we went to three times.
Speaker 1:It wasn't a Ladyboy bar or anything, it just was a regular bar. And even the other bar that we went later was a regular bar. Yeah, just the third bar, which is a new bar, was actually a Ladyboy bar.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Just the third bar, which is a new bar was actually a ladyboy bar when they play the killer every Monday.
Speaker 3:Did you join it? Yes, I joined as well, but I lost.
Speaker 1:You know, yesterday we did something interesting First time we played pool on a round table.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they have it there next bar right. Next to the toilet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but they have it also like two bars on the left so they.
Speaker 3:They have also the same table the same table, but it was so weird, not in the dark in the back side right, you tried that before.
Speaker 1:No, it's very, very, very weird. I never do, because all the angles doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah it was fun, but totally your experience, yeah it was a good one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it was so. As I said before, I don't know you very well, but I know that you and michelle know each other for many years. How did? How did you met?
Speaker 2:like how did we?
Speaker 3:know it together about three years. Yeah, three, four years like then is the bar like come back open.
Speaker 1:So oh, so you met her at kru first.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yes, okay, we meet there. And because she jumped immediately to everyone who is new so she jumped to me so and then we click immediately. So it's all like, oh my god, she's so smart, she's so funny, so the way she's doing it.
Speaker 3:So it's all like, okay, that's a cool girl yeah, since then we connect, we met together, like at the nightclub or something yeah, also after that we meet each other everywhere.
Speaker 2:Yes, so once we we know each other, then always by by accident, of course then we also ask if you have time or I have time, just to hang out together together yes yeah, you have similar vibes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know that. I noticed that already and I think like. So you had a lot of experience in the in the goggles right. Have you worked regular bars before also?
Speaker 3:no, never, never, I just only worked. I will go bar and then after that, if I work escort in bangkok, okay. So then I come pattaya for work like oh how?
Speaker 2:how was the um transition when you, when you move from bangkok work-wise and and start to working in uh katoisa, why you was able to immediately work as a pr manager. So why you have already like this different kind of job and level.
Speaker 3:Because is me, I know is. Can I tell the?
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can talk about anything that you want.
Speaker 3:Because I know the owner for really really long time already. So then we keep talking, we keep contact. Like you know, we met together many times and many years. When I come down or he go up. And also like after that, maybe he use me, because in Bangkok I know a lot of people as well. That's why maybe he use my connection. Or maybe he need, like, I work here for him, like maybe the people follow me as well okay and also I I quite maybe be around with.
Speaker 3:You know, I have a lot of experience with the algorba, or freelancer escort. I think he know how I can handle after yeah so that's why he told me to come down. Can you come down please, work like three day and then be PR manager Then the first time. Usually for me I don't know I can do or not, because I not trust myself as well. I can't do it, or not Because it's first time for you?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I get that.
Speaker 3:But every time when I come down I go to Hiba to looking of the people how they work, how they do work together. So then, why not try?
Speaker 1:So I try already for three years now, I think you can stop saying that you are trying and you can say that you are actually doing that right and you're doing it quite well.
Speaker 3:And also I think I love the job. I love the job.
Speaker 1:More than dancing.
Speaker 3:More than dancing and also like, make me like grow up one more step. Okay, yeah, like I don't. Now I don't care about like working or sex anymore.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Like because I have forgot my job. Now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're not like searching for customers all the time. Yeah, yeah, I understand that. So it searching for customers all the time yeah, I understand that. So she quite chained me a lot, yeah, but I think, as you said before, you said he used you for your connections, but I think your, like, your best skills is actually because you have such a long experience with people that go to go-go bars and like ladyboys. You actually know how to talk to them, make them, as you said before, feel, make them feel comfortable and teach the ladies how to do basically what you did for so many years before.
Speaker 3:Maybe I will change the word like I use.
Speaker 1:They need me, they use me, no, no use is a good word, because use my connection means without you they cannot use, they cannot do it.
Speaker 3:I don't know how to call it.
Speaker 1:They benefit out of your connection.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like we know it together.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:We help each other.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's better, Of course. Yeah, but I think your other big skill is like your talking skill. So and this is something like it's hard to teach someone that you be not shy and you immediately connect to everyone who walks in and you have, like, you know, it's like a really tourist place, so everyone comes from different countries, different culture, but you can handle immediately everyone, that everyone feels like, oh my god, she's, she, I is, they're immediately connected to you and this is kind of a talent it's hard, to hard to teach someone. You know what I mean. Of course, you can say to the girls don't be shy, just go them, talk them, whatsoever, it's not enough it's.
Speaker 2:It's a different skill what you bring to the table. And I just was asking you to it because of course I know the owner as well and we have a lot of chit chats there and then we just saw you working. That was at the old place. And then he said to me oh my god, I wish I have 10 june's. Yeah, I would make so much money and I would open so many more places, if I can put that, because you have also another place right, pitchy Lilies and you say like, oh my God, I wish I could clone June and I could put her everywhere, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah? So that's why I say, when you say it's only like your connection skill, you underestimate your talents. It's not only about your connection Of. Of course, you'll be deep connected in bangkok, but you have this skill. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know now I know yes you know they told you before on friday, I think, me and michelle we are going to meet our friend scott in bangkok. So I never been to Bangkok. What are your recommendations for me for the first time in Bangkok, because I know where you're going to take me Everywhere. No, no, you're a pervert guy. I want to know the normal places I can go, okay.
Speaker 3:Because we are like quite in Bangkok, we go to the same places all the time you know.
Speaker 2:The pervert places.
Speaker 3:I think you will love it. I hope so. I don't know, I've never been there.
Speaker 1:I know it's a very busy city, I mean traffic-wise compared to Pattaya, and I know now in the lowest season it's actually the bars are empty compared to Pattaya.
Speaker 3:I think it's when I be in Bangkok last week. It's the bar and then Soy 11, that's quite okay. Okay, but the bar, normal, I think, not really busy like before. But be okay. I think it's for me, because usually for me I'm really not go to the bar when I'm in Bangkok, I just go to like restaurant.
Speaker 1:Like Tony.
Speaker 3:Oscar.
Speaker 1:Those are restaurant. Are we talking?
Speaker 3:about, yeah, so then like they have.
Speaker 2:Restaurant with nice bars, nice bars. You can sit outside, okay, yeah.
Speaker 3:So then it's quite busy. Yes, and also like go to the nightclub, that's it because when I go up to bangkok I just only hang out on what nightclub do you recommend over there? Um level sugar everything so yeah, everything there and also, if you're like quite classy, a little bit like parcel or pastel, pastel pastel, that's quite yeah, it's quite expensive, but it's nice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah you need to figure out the plan where we are going.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean we we have not so many days, but yeah, I have to make a plan yeah, because I, somehow we will figure out, I'm out of my element over there.
Speaker 1:You know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:So when you go, out the first time, so then recommend my first home, Nana Plaza.
Speaker 1:Nana.
Speaker 3:Plaza. That's my first home.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you've never been there, you should see it.
Speaker 3:I've never been there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because it's just crazy how, and even like they have three or four lady, no, four Lady Boy A Go, go right Right now. Yeah, two in the corner right. No, if you go at the bottom level, you have two at the corner right, straight there.
Speaker 3:If we talk about before, we have about like one, two, three.
Speaker 1:We are talking about Lady Boy A Go Go's over there, yeah, but only in this complex right.
Speaker 3:Okay, one, two, three, four, five, six, six. Ladyboy bars in Nana Plaza.
Speaker 2:Okay, was there, or when was it Was there?
Speaker 3:Yeah, but now it has only two left.
Speaker 2:No, darling, two. You have two at the bottom right. No, no, two you have at the bottom right at the ground floor.
Speaker 3:you have only one now, upstation, only one now the the other one close.
Speaker 2:When was the last time you've been there? How long ago? Last month oh, wow, okay so only one.
Speaker 1:The bottom is only low season, you have to remember.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, the first time is like upstation, so then the second one, B-52.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, that's it. Wow, yeah, I think you know, even if you read the news now, the tourists like there are less tourists than ever in Thailand right now, especially because of the wars, but also because the economy changed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, especially from Europe as well, and America has issues. Every country has issues.
Speaker 1:I read two days ago that all the Chinese tools are starting to go to Japan now. So the no cash tools, no money tools are going to Japan now.
Speaker 2:I also hear like Vietnam is for them an interesting destination, yeah, and Cambodia, so it's like it's drifting, yeah, because Thailand got a bit expensive right now.
Speaker 2:No, I also think, like, regarding just when I see, like, in what kind of direction the walking street is going, and it's not just from the people who are there. If you see the new clubs, they actually built them in the heart of the walking street. So, um, for example, we was pretty upset about it. So the the latest, biggest one that they opened, they called boss club. Okay, and boss club is, um, actually where the marine club was and marine club have is, which was a legend legend it was first club.
Speaker 2:It was the first club in the walking street. So it has a lot of history, right, and the latest history that everybody knows is like everybody can go inside there is no discrimination.
Speaker 3:You have to give like 100 baht or something.
Speaker 2:But everybody was there. So in there we have like crazy parties in the morning, whatsoever, so and then when we hear it, uh, it will be reopened. So everybody was curious, okay. And then we hear some rumors already, like if it will go to the same direction yes, so, and then we hear some rumors, oh, it might be like, um, some india who would open it, and then we thought already oh no, not, not another one yeah, and then we saw boss, but it looks nice from outside, right, and then, um, we went there when they open.
Speaker 3:So then, they do like grand opening or something like that.
Speaker 2:We try to go in and we acting, she say like she, she, yeah, we hold the hands like this.
Speaker 2:So we're acting like a couple and they even make like a little scene, right. So I want to walk in. So they check, of course, her purse and want to see the ID card, and then they say not allowed. And then I say, oh, but she's my girlfriend, right, so we're together, right. I do like we have such a long history together, right. And they say, yeah, you can go. I say like, yeah, what is that place?
Speaker 1:You know what that means. But the one club sorry, not bar and the one club that we do go quite frequently lately is sunbar, which is also owned by indians yes, but nobody knows if, because, um, the so boss club.
Speaker 2:You see already from all the stuff, everything you can see it's like in in the hands from from the group of of india guys, right, okay. So then you have the other two clubs that quasi compete with each other, with the traditional india dancing and music so, oh yeah, like india, indian, indian yeah, so they're better each other. They're opposite from each other. I never been there, so no, and it's in the middle of the walking street, and one tried to make it louder than the other one it's.
Speaker 2:It's crazy, and even if you walk like a few meters away, you're still hearing and they're making money inside, yeah because the indians actually go and spend money in there, yeah of course, otherwise they wouldn't take so much money, um, that they wouldn't take so much money to actually build it and they not have both of them at the same time. So there was first one, and then they saw, after maybe six years to one year, that they established that they're making money and they rent. The opposite building was free. So, and then another group of Indians took over that place, but I'm confused.
Speaker 1:So they don't play like techno, dance music or hip-hop, only I don't know what's going on for me?
Speaker 2:I don't know because I never go inside they just advertise the club like this from outside, but outside, so they have song. Yeah, so they they have like the drums bong okay bong.
Speaker 1:Okay, so migrants dance as well. They dance fast.
Speaker 2:They're singing something Like Bollywood, yes yes, yes, yes, and they battle each other, but it does not have something to do with Thailand.
Speaker 1:We need to make sure Scott not sees that, because if Scott sees that, you know what happens. Yeah, maybe he will join them.
Speaker 2:Wear the high heels and then let's go, yeah he's the model. Dangerous with him.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's dangerous everywhere, anyway with him. Yeah, yeah, sorry. So then Scott, quite a dangerous man eh.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you have the level you know. So then he takes some high heels from some girl, but actually he can walk on it and he can even dance on it. Oh my God, yeah, and he can walk on it and he can even dance on it. Oh my god, yeah, and he can dance on a pool as well, because he went to last time.
Speaker 1:wait, wait last time we went to kru right, and we are sitting there, me and scott right, and then some lady boy very beautiful came to talk with him and I see he's not even look at her. He's just staring at the pole and thinking can I go there or not, can I climb up or? Not yeah, because it's really high and he's not even paying attention to the girl, like she's touching him. He's not even looking at her.
Speaker 2:Just looking at the pole. That's his style, you know, he's just crazy.
Speaker 3:And then he tries, yeah, and then he tries, but someone love him. He tried. Yeah, but someone else do better than him.
Speaker 1:he could not step up.
Speaker 3:Yes, but he just like step up one and then pull down.
Speaker 1:Yeah, up for that. Yeah, because he's heavier. Yeah, no, he's also heavier with the new right.
Speaker 2:Yes, and you just check maybe that gives him like the kick why he wants to do a diet now he wants to reach the top of the pool.
Speaker 1:Maybe you know what we can make him like a party when he does reach, like his goal, weight-wise and pole-wise we can bring him like buy a bottle and have fun together like a big party. No, we buy him, then the high heels that will be for his birthday. I think that's better.
Speaker 3:Nine inch high heels yeah, but he's working very good on high heels, so we give him that at least.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe the next challenge I think I can't wait to see that, I think he cannot wait so and we're talking before about some clubs, sorry, yes, what?
Speaker 2:do you think why it's so different? Because um, first of all from venues, then outside of the club. So all this advertisement, what the other clubs have, they don't exist there, right, and all the stuff what you have is like thai, or at least asian looking so, um, everyone who is in touch with you, so you wouldn't mind. The only reason why I knew it was like before they let everybody inside, I've been there and I just have a talk with the manager because I was curious, like why it's empty. What is the concept?
Speaker 2:I never saw the manager yeah, it's like the floor manager, right so, but, it was like a short guy.
Speaker 2:I not saw him around. Maybe they kick him out and now they have a different one because I not saw him, or he hiding somewhere, I don't know. Okay, but this particular person I I not saw again, but anyway, I'm asking him. And then he told me that, um, that it's owned by a group, uh, which also is based, uh, in india. Okay, yeah, so then I know. Oh, then I was surprised because first the name sun, so it could be like you know, it's not like have a punjabi or something you know is not something that sounds like um, from india. And then when you're looking at the stuff and the music they play, but, as you also say to me, like you can't see, like really a clear concept. So that's why I was just curious who is?
Speaker 3:behind it, yeah, because I saw like on the state. They have the show as the state as well, right yeah like uh can play the the brand there the band.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I don't think I always saw the dancers. I never saw a band over there. Only people that they bring to dance.
Speaker 3:It's on my side, because I never go there.
Speaker 1:Oh, you've never been there. I've never been there.
Speaker 3:I think you will like it.
Speaker 2:I never On the weekend. Now they let all the ladyboys inside. Yeah, that's so last Saturday it feels like almost like juju in the good season.
Speaker 1:What do you mean in the weekend? It's not every day they let everyone inside?
Speaker 2:No, but when we go like because now it's low season. So if we go now in the middle of the week, it's like quiet and you have maybe one or two tables where ladyboys are. But if you go on a Friday or Saturday it's more crowded and there are more ladyboys, but they still let the whole week everyone to go inside.
Speaker 1:There is no discrimination.
Speaker 2:As I know now, for now you never know when they would like to change, but right now you can say they're not change this.
Speaker 1:And I must say the prices are very reasonable over there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's okay for them. I think it's just normal for a nightclub.
Speaker 1:I don't know. Last time I told you, if I compare it to another club, which I will not name, yeah, it was like we bought a bottle of vodka, an absolute vodka, and it was cheap, like 1,500,000 cheaper than the other place. Than the other one yeah, yeah, which is a lot of money if you're thinking about it yeah.
Speaker 3:But this normally is how much.
Speaker 2:For the absolute, it's like between 3,000 and 4,000.
Speaker 1:So I paid 2,500 over there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's okay, it's a very good price. That's a good price, yeah for walking street, it's cheap.
Speaker 1:And then the mixer was another 300, something like that, yeah, and the bucket of ice another 80 baht.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that and the bucket of ice another 80 baht. So yeah, but this is like the random price usually for the mixers, so there's nothing but uh. Yeah, but the bottles are a little bit cheaper.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, but the only complaint for me is that the music is extremely loud over there, like it's. We are unable to speak even little bit with each other.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like you have to shouting to each other and really screaming in the ear that you can it's.
Speaker 1:It's like a little bit too much just turn down like six db, something like that it will be better a little bit, yeah, but it's really nice club and I'm having a lot of fun.
Speaker 2:It's huge it's huge, yeah, and I'm glad we have a new spot to go. Have you been to the upper floor? I never went there. Uh, yeah, because they they have like a bigger toilet there and some stuff like this is the same, it's like more like a balcony.
Speaker 2:So they have like VIP lounges, but because it's never packed right now, so they're not really selling it and you just can chill there, but you'll be there more or less by yourself. There are pool tables also, no only like couch, sofa, stuff like this, like lounge right. Yeah, but when we come back from Bangkok so not this weekend, but the weekend after we should go all together.
Speaker 3:You know it, I can't go on the weekend.
Speaker 2:No after your work, Because it's not. It starts to get busy.
Speaker 3:Three About three. Three just starts to get busy, yeah.
Speaker 2:Where three, three just starts to get busy.
Speaker 3:Where is that location?
Speaker 2:You know Boho. You've been in Boho already or you've not been in Boho also.
Speaker 1:You know Soy VC.
Speaker 2:Before Tunnel but on the other side from Tunnel.
Speaker 3:On the walking street.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so you have the McDonald's opposite right, and it's basically just before.
Speaker 1:Before the soy vc hotel so if you go from soy vc to the walking street, it's right there, it's on that corner, yeah, but it's.
Speaker 2:It's not in the soil, it's still on the walking street it's huge, it's huge yeah, it's bigger than uh republic yeah they try. It's big. That's why it needs so many people, that it actually looks crowded. So that's the problem. So if there are only like a few, okay it's not a few people, but it looks like a few people because it's so big, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, but even when it's completely full, we always had a table over there. They never told us we have to sit with someone else no, no, no no no, it's told us we have to sit with someone else. No, no, no, no, it's amazing yeah, but lately I start going.
Speaker 3:I don't know if you know it, to epic club.
Speaker 1:Yes, now I, I wait, wait, wait. I know why you are laughing and I'm not going to talk about that certain person no, we, we also had so many crazy yes, we have so many crazy night epic.
Speaker 2:oh my god, I God, I like that. She's always been like the champion of pool. So that's why, when you introduced me last time to the champion, so I said like, oh, she have to play with June, because when June have her level, so it's always like Maybe you know her If you go there, you know Mem that play pool over there, she plays good.
Speaker 3:Because we met together, like in there, but there the open is late already. Yeah, late club, late bar, right yeah.
Speaker 1:I think it just starts to getting people around, four or five, yeah, and the peak is at six when Juju closed everyone just when everything closed.
Speaker 2:So everybody that don't want to go home, they go there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's not a club, it's a bar, but it but a very nice, yeah, quiet place. I do have my griefs about this place because I think it's I don't want to say exactly, but as a former drug user, it's a little bit too hard for me to stay there sometimes. I will just say that because of the.
Speaker 2:You know that basically everyone is high. Yeah, everyone is high and it's very after the nightclaps yeah and it's sometimes we have our level of alcohol, so we also not like sober. So for me it's like when we decide to go there I never have a clear mind. In my clear mind I would never say we have to go to Epica, yeah but I in my clear mind. You might see a mind that would say, okay, go on, the night was great, we went everywhere. You know what I mean. Just call it a night.
Speaker 1:See you I don't know in the next few days, because the day after we'll have a huge hangover of course, last time we had a massive hangover, but but I never been offered so much cocaine in Pattaya. Oh more than that in that bar because everyone always hey, you want the bump, you want the bump, you want the bump. And I'm not like, oh, thank you but no, thank you but no. And I have to explain to them like my whole story, you know, because they are keep pressing why not Come on?
Speaker 2:It need it, thank you. And then I have to explain my whole story in order them to let me. Okay, okay, you don't need it next time. You not make the whole story just saying like, oh, I try it, but I never liked it.
Speaker 1:Because this is for me, this is for fact, because I also hear they ask me many times, but I also say, no, I try it, I try it more than once, but I love it every time that you just say the word cocaine, my eyes just open wide and I, you know I cannot hide that I love it, right? I just don't want to do it anymore.
Speaker 3:I have a lot of it arcing me. Then I say I'm sorry, I'm not the drugs lady boy.
Speaker 1:Yeah which is actually kind of different, because I know many lady boys, unfortunately, that do do a lot of drugs and it's very sad.
Speaker 2:I have a lot yeah, it's very accessible here there's really common, but I would say not only ladyboys, it's like I think is because of the scene.
Speaker 2:So if you sing about like that they have to work in about like every so June, for example. So she have the privilege that she have to go like only like the busy days. So Thursday, friday, saturday, yeah. So this is like a privilege so, but usually the girls have to go like every day, yeah. So for me it's like okay when I was young so I call it like the perfect week if you can make like really seven days in the road and you can drink, you know, but you do it like if you are able to doing it. I tried many times when I was young and I stopped at day number five or something.
Speaker 2:Because then just my battery, everything was off. But if I made it so I thought like okay, but it's not often like that, it's happened right before and now they're not doing it only for one week, so they have to do it consistently, because in one month they have maybe one day off or something three day off three day off.
Speaker 2:So sing about it, sing about it. So that means how many days you have to consistently drink and your job is it to drink. You're making extra money to drink. Your money is to promote that the customer drink with you and that they also, uh, drink by themselves more. But it's also like how more you get, how better it is for the bar and how better it is for you because you get tip every single point that bar after they finish drinking and the bar is closed.
Speaker 1:Their goal is to actually go with the customers. Yeah, so the night is not over for them, right?
Speaker 3:yeah, the night not over. But there's some girl. They go to the Thai club Also.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because they still want to enjoy themselves, like to have a life, basically not just be in the bar, but also some I would say some girls also not really like is the main thing, like tend to go with the customer, right, yeah, so you have some. They just like to play, play, but they don't drink, but they not really want to go because they have boyfriends or just because they don't enjoy, let's say foreigners, for example usually is we can, we can't ask them about because there's not like a private.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a private stuff, so you cannot push them right, but I quite understood what, what they, why they want only drinking like a play play but I have a question for you, because I know someone that's working there and she told me like and by the way, if I'm saying something that you don't want me to say, I can cut it after right but she told me there is like a gap that you have to fill, so you have to get at least something like 10 bar fines every month that for the salary, for the salary girl yes, yes.
Speaker 1:So it's kind of do, forcing them to go with customers. Or at least I'm not saying go and fuck with customers, but at least go out with the bar, with the customer, so he paid the bar fine, and then maybe they go party to go together or go eat together, it doesn't matter yeah, that, that that can be, because, but you know, is, uh, when the salary go about a bar five for 10, 10 bar five, that yeah we make the rule.
Speaker 1:Yeah, already, you, we talk to the girl, already, the girl must know, is the rule yeah, of course I'm not judging it, but I'm saying that you said that some girls don't want to go with customer, but still, if they want the salary, no, but but then you have difference right different.
Speaker 3:We have the freelancer as well.
Speaker 2:Ah, so you have like two kind of girls working there, right?
Speaker 3:so you have salary girls and freelancer girl yeah okay usually they're the the field quite, quite have some. Some don't want to go customer but they work salad. Uh, they work freelancer. But about the salary girl they're no problem. They know already they can't work here what they need to do.
Speaker 1:And they want it also. They want it as well. They want the money from their bar fines and from the customers themselves.
Speaker 3:They want money extra from the customer as well.
Speaker 2:Without going in details for a person, but like randomly in general, if you say like um, the freelancers have like few reason um why they don't go, what is like the typical, most typical reason why they don't go. So I guess, like they have a boyfriend at the time did this?
Speaker 3:uh, probably if we ask them that they quite're quite smart to say, oh, I'm not really feel like it, or something like that, they're not like them like yeah, they just like all the time, have excuse.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:But we cannot.
Speaker 2:You cannot really pour them. Yeah, we cannot.
Speaker 3:Come on, tell me exactly why. Why, why? You know?
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, but you think, maybe because the customer is maybe not the type, but usually I know already.
Speaker 1:So what is your guess?
Speaker 3:let's say, if you think, what is the number one reason that they don't want, If the number one is one okay, in feel, in feel in my buy it, Because some they say, oh, maybe the customer is quite too big.
Speaker 2:So it's not the type, right? Yeah, maybe the customer is quite too big. So it's not the type, right? Yeah, not the type of them, okay, okay.
Speaker 3:And two maybe have a Thai boyfriend as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know many of the girls and ladyboys here have someone on the side that is local. Oh, okay, I'm local. Now, you're local. This is why you have so many sides. Yeah, but many, yeah, but yeah, that that's a reasonable reason to like if I have a boyfriend and like he don't want me to go with other customers. So, yeah, okay, but I have an even more interesting question for you. So the girls that do work salaries like, yeah, they need to reach 10, but I guess some of them do much more than 10 every month, right, they do, although all the girls in my bar they work the salary right.
Speaker 3:They get more than 10 for sure and they're doing more, more than than the limit that you say limit we, we say, oh, they also have a limit on the drinks.
Speaker 1:Yeah, not limit, but like a goal 90 drink, yeah for one month, it's not a lot not a lot it's not a lot, 90 think about this three per day is nothing but, I know we have three days for day off.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so it's a little bit higher. So then it's about like 3, 3.2.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:So then, all the girls they make the.
Speaker 2:It's just mind-blowing that I have to drink like every day and also when they make more limit there is bonus.
Speaker 3:Bar five and the drink they get bonus. They get a crown yes, they get a crown yeah, but many, many bars.
Speaker 1:I know I will not say which bar specifically, but a bar that we know very well. Also, like he hire only freelancers but if they reach a certain amount there is a bonus over what they get for normal drinks. Right, and they don't count the bar fines. But still, like bonus is very common thing in this business because you do want to make sure, like they are trying their best in order to get that drinks right having right now the first low season, actually in soy bocal.
Speaker 2:What you witnessed if you compare it to the low season last year and when kato is arts was still in soy diamond next to the walking street, you think like if it's now already more busy, so you can show that that that it makes sense to charge the location from walking street to here, it's really better better.
Speaker 1:You know no the location we are talking in general.
Speaker 2:They don't know.
Speaker 1:I mean from customer money wise, yeah but you are talking in whole Pattaya or just at this bar specific?
Speaker 2:no, I mean like when she compared when, she compared like last, when it was in Soi.
Speaker 1:Lai, I thought you meant you're comparing the low seasons.
Speaker 3:I think it's here more better, it's here better.
Speaker 1:I've been told also that Pattaya now is doing better than Bangkok in general.
Speaker 3:Quite.
Speaker 2:We're talking about the bar Sin bar senior secret. So she have it in so and she have one in pataya, so it's also like a soy bo kao, just a small soy down there, but it I still call it soy bo kao because it's still in that area. Right, and I went now a couple of times in bangkok for the last few weeks and I went there on a monday, so in the middle of the week and if, if I compared, especially on the same day, so I was there like the only customer when I went there on a monday and now scott scott said also the same thing.
Speaker 2:He was also the only one. So and when we go on a monday there it will be of course, not same busy as on a friday or saturday on the weekend, but it still always have people and if you're sitting there you always see people come and go. So it have kind still a flow. But there wasn't a flow at all. I was there and the ladies was a little bit desperate to say, oh my god, you are the first one coming, I don't have any lady.
Speaker 1:Yeah in bangkok yeah and yeah, in bangkok.
Speaker 2:so that's why I see that some bars they're really struggling in Bangkok. And since then I know that Bangkok has a low season and before people told me, oh, bangkok, we never have a low season. And then I started to believe it because it's such a big city. And then I saw it with my own eyes when I compared bar to bar. It's quite now.
Speaker 3:It's quite different, it's different. It's quite different, it's different.
Speaker 2:But the location from Zinni's secret. I have to say it's like that's why she called it secret.
Speaker 1:So it's like in a small soy, you can pass it yeah you can pass it, but here also, in Pattaya also, it's a small soy, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 2:But more people get used to it in Pattaya to go to small soy Especially. You've never been to the Sukhumvit 11. No, never. But Sukhumvit 11, everything is there, right in front of the street, right? So that's why every bar, that's why you say, oh, when you go to Tony's or Oscar's, so there's bars that are there on the main road, so if you go there, they are always full.
Speaker 3:Yes, there you cannot really say they have a low season, you know. So I think, like it's also like specific, from bar to bar, yeah, and also like it, uh. I think in bangkok the can call low season really low from many years, from last year, because I think is now have many thing. Is that chain a lot?
Speaker 1:yeah, but it was also so let's let's just count the things that change it. So the economy right now in the world is shit. There was the earthquake that actually scared people. Yeah, there are two, almost three ongoing wars right now in the area like you can still call it, in the area.
Speaker 2:It's all effects, everything I also think like, but it's just like what I just can guessing. I don't have proof for it, but I think, like the tourists, they go to um, to bangkok. You not have such a big ladyboy lover community in bangkok as you have it here in pataya.
Speaker 2:You have so many locals that we actually know they go from the, from the, to one lady boy bar to the other one jumping like yeah, so when I go to bangkok and I go to the same bars and you not have so many as you have here, but here you always see the same people on different days, but somehow you see the same faces, but it's not only the lady boys, if you see even the regular bars right now in Pattaya, I mean the big bars, the known bars are always great, but even the smaller bars, you see there are customers over there.
Speaker 1:You almost not see empty bars right now it's not full but still they are making money.
Speaker 2:They still make money, yeah, but I think, like, especially for the ladyboys, I think, just like Bangkok don't have it that big like a real community and the tourists they might not know all the places because it's a little bit like spread out, it's not everything like hotspot as we have here in Soi Bok Kau. So, yeah, as a tourist you don't even have to know it.
Speaker 1:If you be in Soi Bok Kau and you just walk down the street and maybe you take a turn on this way, okay, you will always end up in some because you see them, you see, them straight away, yeah I was also talking with some, actually girls and ladyboys that came from bangkok, from phuket, to pattaya recently, because they say there are nothing going on over there right now. Yeah, like we are just saying we are not making any money. And in pattaya at least they know, okay, thai friendly, they can make some customers.
Speaker 1:Right, they can find any bar freelancers, yeah, freelancer whatever working in in a bar and it's actually active here and I like it. I know it's not and, by the way, I don't know if you agree with me, but as someone that used to come here as a tourist not someone that lives here I actually prefer the low season Because you feel like you don't have much competition, if you know what I mean. Yes, and also it's quieter. You can enjoy it, I think you have a lot of benefit.
Speaker 2:I think the flight is cheaper, the hotels are cheaper. Yeah, I think it is, and then the bars are not overcrowded. You know, you have only one negative point could be some good girls might go at home and the weather normally is worse at the low season yeah, but but here for pataya is fine I think is pataya is always, like last time I came august, it was raining like 20 days out of the 30 days I was there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it's never raining like all day long, right. So, pataya, usually the rain stops, right, so we have it maybe for 30 minutes, maybe for an hour, then the time is already crying the world get over. The world is over, you know.
Speaker 1:No, but there were floods like two days of floods, yeah, but having a flood here is like easy for yeah, yeah, just raining like one hour already frothing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I know some, some specific places, just need 20 minutes of rain and you need a kayak.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's really like that, yeah, but I I don't mind it, right, but I do enjoy, as I said, the low season. I feel much more comfortable in the low season, I just can stand up. Yeah, keep on talking, I just take my by the way, you still have the microphone so you can keep on talking as well.
Speaker 2:It's amazing someone want also something more to drink coconut water I don't know. I see the vodka bottle over there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we can also change to adult drinks yeah.
Speaker 1:So the idea before and now I'm speaking to the cast, the listeners we thought about doing a drunk podcast. At least we're drinking.
Speaker 2:We would not be totally wasted, but the plan was that we drink, no, no but I do want us to have one time a real drunk podcast. Oh, I think we have fun but before, before we start the podcast, because usually it's only one hour we have to drink because a bit yeah, yeah, because you and no, also june can drink a lot, so I think like we will not be.
Speaker 1:I'm not worried about an hour. I'm not worried about june, me or you. I'm worried about pym. Pym is not a drinker oh she will get wasted so
Speaker 2:she might. Yeah, sorry, no, this is the corner yeah, yeah, no my ex is still in my country. I I saw, but yeah, yeah, she's my co-host, so usually he do it with Pim together.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's also a ladyboy. Yeah, she used to work in Delirious. Maybe you know her, I don't know.
Speaker 3:What's she name? Pim Pim.
Speaker 1:Pim, the listener want to see her photos, so might be in the next podcast that we have another video podcast, you can finally see her. Yeah, you only know, I know you're disappointed about me, but she's beautiful, so don't worry about that not say that you're a handsome guy.
Speaker 1:I am. I am, but compared to you guys, I look like a garbage bag. No, you didn. I know. It's okay, sorry. So now it's something that I want to discuss with you too, but this is something that is going actually about the podcast. So me and you were talking about and this is also goes for the listeners actually renting a studio and start doing a real professional podcast with the cameras and actually the people behind the cameras and everything, and we know the pricing already. We spoke together about this, but I want to know actually, like what you think so many of the people, the guests that we had, especially the lady, don't want to show themselves.
Speaker 3:Again, please.
Speaker 1:So if we are moving to a format of actually videoing everything, I know that many of the people that used to be on the podcast always said, no, actually we don't want to be seen, we prefer there is no cameras. Can you tell me why do you think it's that Like, why they don't want to show themselves, although the ladyboy personality is always very out there? You know what I mean?
Speaker 3:yeah, I know but outgoing yeah, I don't know about it. That's why I don't know how to. I don't know how to tell that too, because some I don't know how to call to say like okay, it's myself, I don't mind about the video because we're not doing anything wrong, you know it's not yet yeah and I would say there's never something what you can do wrong yeah, like we're just talking, you know nothing.
Speaker 3:Have to like a space nothing like we are not hiding or something like that, you know. But there's some people they think. They think like, oh no, maybe they're gonna just post something on on on the website or something like that, talking about me badly or not, or blah blah you think it's a matter of confidence. Actually, some, some some ladyboy did like that as well.
Speaker 2:I never even thought about that. Maybe also about like hate speech, right, because it's like if you put yourself out there, so it's like easy that you get like negative, they're always haters.
Speaker 2:Come on whatever you do, yeah, yeah, yeah. But some people they don't need to be in this kind of position, right? So there is no need for them to be actually in this podcast. So they're doing it because they, they, they think like, okay, I have something interesting to say, but to having the risk to get like uh, hate speech after it. So because everybody is curious, like, oh, how is, how do people like my uh podcast, the episode, uh, the episode where I was in. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2:just out of curiosity and of course it's then like sad to see if you have some people, even you don't know them, but they write something bad. You know what I mean. So for some people, especially if they don't get used to it, so they might say then, oh okay, better I pull out, better I don't get used to it. So they might say then oh okay, better I pull out, better I don't do it.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, because there were two things I was worried about, right. The first one that the people let's say now we bring a random person to talk Lady or ladyboy, it doesn't matter, if she's seen actually in front of the camera. She might not tell everything, right, she might. Will try to be more composed and will not talk to the, as you said before, go into the details too much, right, because she don't want to. Might her family see her?
Speaker 2:or her friends. It can be also quite overwhelming because, first of all, most of the people they don't even talk, like with microphones or some setup like this, or maybe the free time for them as well. They don't know, they're quite shy as well, yeah, and then when you have both already, so you have like the cameras pointing on you, maybe I need to use hidden cameras yeah, so really small ones.
Speaker 1:Yeah, in a teddy bear. You know the teddy bear cameras, teddy bear. Teddy bear cameras See a red light there.
Speaker 3:No no, no, no.
Speaker 1:They call it the babysitter camera back home. But yeah, so they put it and yeah, it might be that. And the second thing I thought maybe, like there is a boyfriend behind that, a boyfriend outside, there is a boyfriend behind that, a boyfriend outside, sorry, outside of Thailand that maybe they told them they are back home, or different stories, or what not.
Speaker 3:I think that is not not the problem with the boyfriend, or something like that.
Speaker 1:About, about, talk with oh, you know, you know how many people I know that are actually in Pattaya right now and they told their boyfriend that they are back home to his son or whatever they make up the typical story, but they still hustle of course, of course it's happening. I'm sure you know people like that and I know, and michelle, that's a common story stories.
Speaker 3:You know I don stories. You know what I mean. I don't have anything to hide.
Speaker 1:Not you, but some people do right. This is the problem normally with this. We had this conversation two days ago also.
Speaker 2:But I would go like this because you are already successful the way you did it before, yeah, and I would say if you just think you have a really interesting guest, but he preferred to not video record it, so then I would say like, okay, then we're just doing actually the audio and, um, if you have people that are open for it, so of course I would then always go for them first. But if you have, um, someone who have some really interesting input, so then I would okay, this is a special episode and then you do like the audio In the news.
Speaker 1:we can blur their face, blur their sound, you know? Yeah, give them a mask.
Speaker 3:Blur the face. That's okay, I think.
Speaker 1:It will be like the detective shows on the TV.
Speaker 2:People try especially people in Pattaya will try to figure out who is this I?
Speaker 1:know her. I know her. It's a very common thing here. You know, I have a friend I just saw it a few days ago that he's a PI back home, so a private investigator, oh okay. And he was hired by some lady back home because her husband is always going to Thailand. Like every five months, four months, he go to Thailand for one month and he told her it's with friend and business and whatnot. So he and he's my friend, the PI, right. So he went here to Pattaya and he found out this guy actually have a family here. Oh, an entire family, like a wife and two children. This guy actually have a family here. Oh, an entire family, like a wife and two children so that means he had the second family and he didn't even told his wife.
Speaker 1:Oh, a complete different life same like in the movies yeah, but it happens. It's crazy to think about it. That's happened when you fuck without condom well, the first baby, okay, but they have two babies together. So I think it was. You think by it was intentional.
Speaker 2:Oh oh, he's very bad at that, that's why I fuck with ladyboys, so that the risk is is more or less to have a baby. As scott says, there is more chance he will get pregnant you only can get some animals from them, like, oh, I have a dog, you know what I mean. Let's adopt a dog or something you know. And then the relationship breaks up and you end up with a dog.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so that can happen. Take care of my dog, yeah.
Speaker 2:But, thank God, in most of the condos are no animals allowed, right?
Speaker 1:so yeah, although I read something interesting two days ago. So the rate of, let's say, non-binary people, binary people or whatnot, that are actually adopting children around the world is much higher than the last 10 years. I wonder it's not happening in pattaya like, let's say, lady boy and her boyfriend adopting babies not in pattaya, I mean in thailand.
Speaker 2:I not see that much was it even legal before they now?
Speaker 1:now, I think you're allowed to marry, right, you're allowed to marry and you're allowed to take a baby let's say baby that doesn't have a parents like an orphan just allow now no not, not really in time, not really allowed for that. It's not allowed.
Speaker 3:Not really allowed.
Speaker 1:You cannot apply for taking a baby that don't have father and mother Like an orphan.
Speaker 3:I think we can now, because I have some friend as well, like the gay and gay right, okay, they're married. Yeah, well, like taste the game game right okay, they're married. Yeah, so then they have after like a from the children who don't have father, mother, yeah, yeah, take care of it, but quite difficult, you know, like not easy to so they have to show their marriage for many years.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I guess, yeah. So there are many regulations about the have to show them, about the family, all family, on both sides. Okay, with this idea going to be great or not, have to talk with both families.
Speaker 1:There is also the option of like finding a mother for the baby, so getting actually you know sperm. And then you find for the sperm. Who put the? Sperm yeah yeah, you know what they do. They just mix the sperm together and give the give the sperm. So it's random milky way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah that sucks, that's, that's cool. So before, before the baby come out, you don't know yeah, it's like thai or european
Speaker 1:yeah, it will still be half thai because the mother is because the mother yeah yes, but if thai, thai you, you don't know it nobody would sing, but I wonder why it's not so common here. Like I know, there are many gay couples here and like lesbians and whatnot.
Speaker 2:You really have so many couples that wish to have children. This is the other question would you want to have children?
Speaker 3:if you had the right partner, like the right no, I don't want it you don't want children I don't want children okay but okay you know, perfect, yes, we can marry, if talk on my side, right, if talk on my side I have my sister? Okay, I have my sister, but if I want my children, I think I will take care of my niece later yeah. Because when I'm older, I think she will take care of me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, we were talking about this before, I remember. But I do know ladyboys that think that the only reason that men don't want to be with them because they cannot give him babies- yeah, but I think it's not this.
Speaker 2:No, but if you ask me so, for example, now I turn 41 and I don't have the wish for children. I don't have it before, Okay. And then I thought like maybe it would come. Of course it could come with the right partner. But then my desire getting more and more like in the direction that I prefer to be related business oriented.
Speaker 1:Right now, I think your mind is not even going into the place of relationship or babies. I know you. You are extremely business-oriented for the past years, right? Yeah, that's true. You are like a career man, right?
Speaker 2:Like the career woman that don't even think about all this yeah, but I think many people I mean okay, maybe they're not so driven or focused about making their own business, business but but I also think, like they, many don't have the desire.
Speaker 2:I think maybe it's come also more from the woman than in the relationship, because they say they have like an inner clock inside of them, right, because biological, they have like a certain amount of time where they are actually are able to bring a healthy, a baby to the world, right. So in that they have kind of a voice that going louder and louder how old that I get, right. Again, I know it from my sister, right. So she have three children and for us was the question why the third two was already enough. But somehow, you know, when she get close to that clock the voice was so loud and and then it happens again. Of course, cute one, yeah, no doubt about it. But if you sing about someone who has no children, you sing like why do you need a third?
Speaker 2:You know, because every child, especially in Europe, it costs also like a lot of money and time to take care. But everybody needs to have a job in Europe. So she has her own career, the boyfriend has their own career. So you always have to manage who takes care of the children, right? So that's why I think, wow, you want to deal with a third child, you know. But hey, everybody has their own mindset up, so I never judge, I never blame. But I think there are a lot of people that have like similar mindset up to mind that they don't think that they really won't have children because it's have a long last. They're not relationship responsibility. So you have a responsibility and for me it was always like when I was young and living here in Thailand, I never could afford it and I was happy that I have only the stress and the struggle to take care of my life.
Speaker 2:And how I can make it happen that I don't have to go back and that I'm able to live here and then, when I would maybe like be able to take care of a child. I'm already in kind of different direction, mindset-wise of a child. I'm already in kind of different direction, mindset up wise. And I also think, like now, from my age and the way my entire mind set up is what say like that I prefer to be with a lady boy, so then it's like out it's just out of the window.
Speaker 1:But you also said you don't even have the desire. Yeah, you don't.
Speaker 2:I'm happy that I don't have children also, you know, because with this kind of new lifestyle I would like somehow still would. Would be like build a relationship with the mother, because I want to see my child grow up and want to be part of it.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. So this is like a a huge thing, a huge part, and it would like take a part of your life forever. And so many ladies actually they are cool with ladyboys I meet. Come on, you have also like friends, right, like women friends, and I witnessed the situation. So if you go out in the club and you see like ladyboys with girls together and you meet them many times, everything is cool Until that point they find out that you fuck with a ladyboy in girls together and you meet them many times, everything is cool Until that point they find out that you fuck with a ladyboy in the group. Then all the ladies even they call the ladyboy oh she's my sister and everything. But then they look at you like you'd be a pervert, you are gay, you're something so bad. You know what I?
Speaker 1:mean.
Speaker 2:But you'd be the same person. You know what I mean. And they call her sister. So that means actually okay, you call her sister.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean you don't think it's come from jealousy? Of course it's kind of jealousy and I don't come from jealousy, so we had the talk before that right now.
Speaker 2:You know this kind of situation, right? You think like the girls are jealous.
Speaker 3:Then or this for me is I quite, did they quite jealous of it?
Speaker 1:yeah because you, you know, we, we were talking about that that right now, especially when the western food is like, the thais start to eat western food and the thais got more fat and the thai girls, right, yeah, and the lady boys still try to stay as slim, as sexy as possible. Because they have two reasons, right. They first, they want to prove that they are beautiful women and they want to be even more attractive than the ladies, and right now, basically, the most of the ladyboys look better than the ladies you find in the bars.
Speaker 3:I think it's not really that, because, you know, don't forget about the ladyboy Ladyboy is the man. Okay, we have what they call the burning. Really well, or really good, modern girl.
Speaker 2:Ah, the metabolism.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay, so if the girl, they just eat a little bit.
Speaker 2:And also I don't know how to call it they get the gene from father mother, from dad from mother.
Speaker 3:Maybe they have the family like father fat, mother not fat, so some they get from her.
Speaker 2:Important one is fat.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't know. Usually we're going to talk now in person. I don't know like usually we're going to talk now in person. The girl they have that it's for burning. It's not really good like a ladyboy.
Speaker 1:Okay, so the metabolism is not as well, but I still think that there is some kind of jealousy for what you said before.
Speaker 2:Because if they called her sister and oh, I love her, she's my best friend, and then she knows the problem. The problem, what I have with the entire scenario is, is one thing uh, especially for most of the guys, to come out is almost like a come out, um, if you uh figure it out that you be gay, so if you show publicly that you uh are into ladyboys, it's kind of an outcoming yeah, and coming out because you've been coming out of a closet yeah, yeah so because many people and you would 100% agree on it how many guys have a girlfriend and secretly fuck ladyboys?
Speaker 2:oh, many, many, exactly. Yes. So these are the people who want in the in the social life have they want to see as a normal guy, but the the deep, dark desire is that they are fancy to ladyboys as well, or even like only ladyboys, but they won't have this happy life for the outside world. So that's why I say, if you be so strong and you have so much courage. But it's also like a building up. At least for me it took many years Because I come here I was really young, I was 27,. You know what I mean. So you just start to be from a young man to growing up man whatsoever. So it takes a little bit of time. So if you build then all this courage and then you have this kind of situation, you feel so ashamed for this moment because they just touch you In a group. You have to understand the group is always like more powerful than a single person. Okay, if she would say that to you on one-on-one, it would not be affect you.
Speaker 1:But there is an entire group.
Speaker 2:So now, like everyone, think about that yes, they're pointing with the finger on you and say like, oh, how you could be. And now we see you in a different light. You know it's so obviously everyone like them acting like this. Yeah, I just say I know.
Speaker 1:No one care about anything here anymore it's still like this.
Speaker 2:Just for example, if you go with the typical girls out in the group in republic, they are not get used to it. These are the showing of girls blah, blah, blah. They think like they're number one. If you show, they give you this kind of look. You know what I mean. You know what I mean. They give you the eyes for me. Right now I give a fuck, but you get this eyes. You know what I mean. I, I, I see them. I see them also when they start gossip about you. I see like blah, blah, and it's like, oh my god, it's like a wildfire, so you just have to go over it.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean don't care about it, yeah, but it sounds like again confidence thing, like you're aware of that, because you think maybe I'm not saying you, I mean a general person think, oh, I'm so aware that now everything changed, because he also think maybe, oh, I'm doing something that is wrong in the eyes of society?
Speaker 2:yeah, yes, in the eye of society, and this is still the problem. The problem is, it is not accepted like how it should be oh, but come on, it's so accepted here in pataya.
Speaker 1:I never seen anyone got discriminated because they go with ladyboys or ladies or both or whatever, or men even.
Speaker 2:I saw it hear it in my particular case so many times. Really, yes, it's because, like, the way where you're going, where you're going out, is like pro there are pro ladyboys, you know. So the environment where you're surrounding yourself is really healthy and it's even good as a confident boost. But why you don't know the English clubs that we're talking? They're in the middle of the walking street. So if you're going in some places like 808, republic, iba, whatsoever these are the high hetero places. Where is this not normal and out of the ordinary? If I show up, for example, with June and we are a couple and we not even have to be kissing, but it's obviously that we be together, you know, holding hands or what, every table that is next to us will gossip about us for the next 30 minutes. We will be like the talk of the night for the next 30 minutes.
Speaker 3:Talk of the town.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what's right. Yes, yes.
Speaker 3:And also we got the gossip all the time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, no, but I'm really like sensitive always with my environment, you know, but you don't have to be sensitive because it's so obvious right?
Speaker 3:Yes, because we don't care anymore about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we just enjoy the moment. Yes, Even be laughing more about it right, yeah. Same like when we go in flags. Okay.
Speaker 3:No, but maybe you should try to come with us and then you will see.
Speaker 2:It is what the people yeah, you will see, and then just think about like what we're saying, like keep it in mind and not just be like happy in the group and just watching about the random people, and you will immediately like they're touching each other like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah try not to pointing with the finger, but somehow in the direction.
Speaker 3:Yes, yeah, yeah, but then I give the. You know, talk about me, go, not my problem, it's your problem and and on the other side, toy, for example.
Speaker 2:Right, she's really like how you say it, not famous, but she attract a lot of guys in flex because so because curves right, so she have big curves.
Speaker 3:Yes, hi for the black guys.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah so and then nobody go to her, and then she always be so happy when I go to her be dancing and all this stuff. And then I had a question to her and I say to her Toy, please tell me because that's my feeling how many guys approach you when you go out or on toilet, like secretly, or after flex, like if they really want to go. She said, oh my God, yeah, you're so right so many times, but they're just shy and they will never go because they don't want to lose the friend the face, the face in the club yeah, in the club, in the, in the front of the group of the friends, because if you you go straight, talk with the lady boy
Speaker 3:okay it's already the people.
Speaker 2:They look at you oh, he's gay or whatever.
Speaker 3:So it's come there directly I need to come with you one time to actually see this yeah, that's why when we go to the nightclub, so we just change the contact and then some meet later. What?
Speaker 1:do you mean change the contact?
Speaker 2:with the guys, with the guy.
Speaker 1:Oh, they do it more secretly yeah, we have to keep their faith as well, if someone look at you, you just show him your line and whatnot, and then you can meet him later yes, something like that but the first we must do competition are talking first.
Speaker 3:You're okay with, yes, something like that. But the first we might do competition, talking first, you're okay with it because? But we tell them straight like, oh, we are transgender, we are ladyboys, of course you will not have it yeah, you accept it, then is it okay, so we can try blah blah okay, I guess most of them tried it before.
Speaker 1:I don't think it's their first time, but most of them tried it before. I don't think it's their first time, but most of them probably tried it before. Popoli Kwa yeah. I know a guy I will not say his name, because he was. I cannot say his name he always tell ladyboys from Thai Friendly. He was never with a ladyboy before because he wants to play oh, I'm a bird.
Speaker 3:Yeah, same like my friend. Okay, I'm a bird yeah, same like my friend. Okay, I use my example. My friend, oh, he talked to me for a long time, for a long time, he with the woman, okay, he have a girlfriend.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3:No, he don't have a girlfriend, but he do with the woman. Okay, he have sex with the woman only.
Speaker 3:Okay, but me and he. We met together many times like meet for the bar and drink, have a beer, but we talk competition, like then I push on him like hey, come on, you want to know why? Let's try. Come on, we do the best, really, really, really the best blowjob. We know how to do it, we know how to do it. We don't have to make you feel good, you know, let's try. Okay, the first. Not mean like I push you today. Let's come with me first for to the ladyboy bar, just the first, just take a look. First, take a look. Then I push a little bit more on him.
Speaker 2:So, you went to the bar.
Speaker 1:But, you were interested in him. Right, you were interested in him. Okay, who fucked him? Then you fucked him.
Speaker 3:No, it's not me, it's another girl.
Speaker 1:Oh, I thought you meant Okay, I understand now.
Speaker 3:Now I have my friend, I'm not fucked with him because he's my friend.
Speaker 2:So I pushed friend, not, not, I not fuck with him because he my friend, he my friend.
Speaker 1:So I push him to try another lady boy and he did it at the end. He the first. You see this why she sat a good she good at her job. She even bring people outside of the community.
Speaker 3:The first is not, but then he's and drives him crazy so then is the first day oh, it's quite nice, sexy, but not my type. Then I put more and put more. And then the next day, come on, let's go to another bar, see. So then have a drink, touching, you know, then you get hot. You want to try?
Speaker 1:we have room upstairs that's the scam guys, be careful then he did so not romantic the first time in a short time room.
Speaker 3:So then you know what, now, today, every day now, Only ladyboys.
Speaker 2:Only ladyboys. Yes, finish with his girlfriend, everything done.
Speaker 3:Sometimes, sometimes I don't know, but when he come Only ladyboys.
Speaker 2:Is he living here or no? No, no, he. Up, down Up down, you hook him up. But I have to say, if you was close with him before, so at least his interest, his interest and the curiosity was already there. Otherwise you wouldn't be like so close with friend with him nah, no, because, like you know me, I like the like.
Speaker 3:I don't care about like sex, like I'm open, like, but you're like a family.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like I want to be friendly, but I know also many guys that they see ladyboy and they're don't touch me. They are immediately scared or they think that they will get raped.
Speaker 3:I love the guy like that really I love the guy like that. I love the guy like that Really. I love the guy like that I love the guy like that, Because the first time for them is they're quite oh, no, no, no. So then I can push a little bit to make them understand.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but sometimes they are so disrespectful Not all of them, but some of the guys.
Speaker 2:Some are aggressive right.
Speaker 1:Don't touch me, don't touch me. Yeah, I remember one. I think I told that already to you or to Scott, I don't remember. So two or three months ago I went with one friend I met, actually on the airplane I never met him before and we went to Cindy's and his friend, a random guy, wanted to come to meet us there. But he told me, listen, he's a bit scared of ladyboys. I said it's okay, we're just sitting there, no problem, we can play pool, drink, whatever, yeah, and immediately he went inside and one of the lady just touched him and asked him for a drink and he's freaked out completely. Don't touch me, don't touch me. You told me they will not touch me and it was so disrespectful I felt so shy. I just said okay, I'm so sorry. Not even that, because I don't want people think we are bigots. You know, we like everyone. It doesn't matter. But when you act like that it's really.
Speaker 3:They're not just all, they're just only the person like yeah, but still he's with us.
Speaker 1:You know how do we look when we we bring people like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah so we just I paid the bill, and it was also kind of like an overreaction for a certain reason, I don't know, but the reason.
Speaker 1:You know, yeah, but he was very aggressive. You know he was not aggressive towards her, but in in his reaction it was very loud, like over the top, yeah, so okay it was, but maybe on for me. I never see the guy like that really yeah, never the guy act like that, but if I saw one, yes, I might to tell him something we saw one, if you remember, when we went with greg, so his friend, I will not say his name. Ah, yeah, he was extremely aggressive.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and he was. Yeah, but he was a weird dude.
Speaker 1:I put his, all energy was not matching to the group anyway, yeah, but you saw, every time they came near him, he just stepped back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't understand the point why Greg brought him, but he was also drunk.
Speaker 1:No, they are friends.
Speaker 2:I understand, yeah, but the entire vibe was off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I thought already like, okay, he could maybe say in the first place oh yeah, maybe you go another time meet your friends there. Just say to them like we have different plans because he was just like at the wrong time at the wrong place.
Speaker 1:It might be yeah, but it's very, as we said before, it's not very common to see something like that. Like normally, when you see even guys that are not not completely not into ladyboys, they know the scene. They come, sit, drink, play a little bit and they left. They are going home.
Speaker 2:It's not like such an overreaction, but we have to bring you to the club that you can see how the people usually react. I want to see that, yeah, empathize.
Speaker 3:Not one, not one. We have to go around. Yeah, we always go around. Come on, yeah, one we have to go around. Yeah, we always go around. Come on, yeah, but that you just see.
Speaker 1:That you just see it's not like, it's not like okay, it's not like random, it's like obviously all the time yeah, but I still and okay, I want to see that, but I still suspect it's a matter of self-esteem and confidence. Maybe you are more aware of that. I give you example, okay, I will not again I cannot say who, but I know one girl that she think everyone hates her, everyone talking about her all the time. No, really, even if people whisper together, she sure it's about her. Okay, so sometimes I think, and it's a matter of self-esteem, 100, you agree with that. Yeah, so maybe here, if it's in this extreme.
Speaker 1:Yes, so maybe in your case, for example, I'm not saying your self-esteem is low, I'm just saying maybe it's a sensitive like issue for you a little bit so even if people don't think about you but yeah, the pointing or whatever, the looking immediately think no, no, they are talking about us no, I have to say completely no ok, I need to see that in my eyes.
Speaker 2:We not spoke about it and we she totally. Look how sure you are about.
Speaker 1:I need to see that, I can see. I not say that you are wrong or lying, but I want to experience it for myself and everyone we will put here with us on Ladyboy on the sofa.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they would agree the same. It's not like a story because we are too sensitive or we think like we're always in the spotlight or whatsoever. It's really you can. It's so obvious, they can't hide it, they can't hide it.
Speaker 1:I have to say, ladyboys in Thailand already feel like a second-degree person. They already think they are not as good as.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean I think, I think, I know what you mean, but so they always think okay because, first of all, it's come from the family.
Speaker 1:I was born a man, but now I'm a lady. Maybe my family yeah, they love me and everything but maybe they're not happy with me. And then it start what will the men think about me? You remember when we talked about relationships?
Speaker 3:so it's much more harder for a ladyboy to find a long-lasting relationship I think is now is for the, for the ladyboy is quite easy long-lasting relationship really, because now it's every everything is quite is open for that already and I think that people didn't know about more like lgbtq more. I think it's everyone is open for that now and also I think it's just only about long long long lasting, yeah long lasting, just to just into person.
Speaker 1:Understood together, happy together yeah, but when we had this conversation before, so we talked about it, was with my friend john right. You know which conversation I'm talking about. So he used, he used to have a girlfriend, that um lady boy, and after they broke up, maybe six months or seven months, her name was mini she killed herself. And then we talk why, what happened, and when we asked him because it wasn't about john right, it was because her own reasons. But pim say also lady boys, it's more hard for them to find real love, not not, not, not the true, not the truth you not the truth?
Speaker 1:You're not agree with that. I'm not agree.
Speaker 2:You think it's the same, me it's 11 years already Not every night Someone falling in love with you? Oh no, not at all. They come in the cat toys.
Speaker 3:They hate me as well. They hate me as well.
Speaker 1:Okay, so you don't think it's that. No, okay, it's the girl as well, not only lady boy, so you think it's equally easy to find love for a lady and for a lady boy.
Speaker 3:It's easy. Okay, can be the same.
Speaker 1:Because we said last time sorry to cut you, but we know the community right, we know the guys, we know the veterans and we know we. For some reason we also know the newcomers, and me maybe. No, you are just a quick comer. This is different you are a quick comer, not a newcomer yes, quite quiet. So let's say, at least 70 percent of the people that are going with ladyboys. They don't see them again, it's something I'm repeating but they are not seeing them as a person. They're seeing them as a fetish. What?
Speaker 2:is that fetish? Fetish, like he say, also like a sex toy. But fetish is more, like some people.
Speaker 1:Like he fantasize. Oh, I want to be with ladyboys. So it's like a fetish, so for them being with a ladyboy is a fetish right, and sometimes this causes them to not treat you as a person. Yeah, they will be nice and they will buy, but they're only interested in fucking or whatever, and that's it. There is nothing behind it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but you have some kind of people like this I think I do.
Speaker 3:I do, it's only a sexual desire.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, this is what I mean by fetish. There is no, no feeling behind like emotional nothing, this is what exactly? What makes me horny and I go for it? I think it's have some people like that. I think 70 percent of the people are like that. I also would not say it's that high let's say really yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Let's say it's less.
Speaker 3:Really like let's say okay, 20 to it.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'm talking about not only the veterans, the newcomers, yeah but I also would say, like, if I read the comments right, so you mean the comments for your videos, yeah, okay. So if I read the comments, there are so many Comments. They're like Not that sexual that as you actually thought there might be.
Speaker 1:So like oh, my god, I wish I would be this guy is so, so beautiful.
Speaker 2:She's one of the most beautiful girls. Some, some like that they really put there on such a high spot. You know what I mean. Like it almost like star, untouchable level. You know what I mean. So that I think like, wow, so you have a lot of guys they're just dreaming about it, yeah, but it's even more fetish.
Speaker 1:Think about it, people that actually pay.
Speaker 2:But they're not saying to everyone. So they have a specific type, how they look and when they saw it. Yeah, so they're saying like, wow, this is it. And it's not like sexual, they just could like look at her because they just think like it's just like the perfect woman, because you have everything and even more what.
Speaker 1:I desire. Yes, but he didn't find this video because of her. He found this video because he was already interested in Ladyboys and then he knew your channel or he came across your videos. You cannot just find Ladyboy videos randomly on the internet.
Speaker 2:You have to search for it, but I still believe that the number is not by 70%. Yes, me too, and I truly believe it's way lower.
Speaker 3:Really lower for sure. Yeah, I swear Okay.
Speaker 2:No, I think you are the one who can judge it the best because you come in touch with so many guys. You know what I mean. Yes, just because of your work, so I think like, if you say like just from the feeling, so I think you can judge it the best, and also from your years from experience, because we don't come across so many guys.
Speaker 1:But there is very easy way to measure it. So you used to work as an escort, right? How many, in your opinion, how many of your customers really fell in love with you as a person? Like they would pay you even not to to go fuck, just hey, I want to spend time with you. I really like you. Like, can we go to a movie? Yeah, like to movie. Hang out, yeah, yeah, yeah, just how like? What is the percent of those kind of customers? It's a lot, yeah, yes, more than 50%, is it? Okay, is it? So maybe my worldview is like distorted Because normally.
Speaker 2:We changed it today already a little bit, so we work on it it might, but because you know me, I'm a very talkative person like you, but normally no, no. I am. I am a talkative person.
Speaker 1:When you put me in any bar. That's why you're the host.
Speaker 1:That's why you're the host I know, but when you put me in any random bar, normally I will just start talking with people, just go around introducing myself, whatnot, and just talking with people, and many of the people that I do meet in ladyboy bars their questions about the ladyboys that they see are always extremely sexual, extremely yes. I never heard like, oh, is she a good person or does she have a boyfriend? I never heard the question does she have a boyfriend? It's always how big is her cock? She's bottom or top.
Speaker 1:You know this is the question that you normally get and you never have like in regular, not ladyboy bars. Normally I hear the different question. Hey, you know if she has a boyfriend.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, okay, come on. This question is already out of the window because you do the work that she did, so you met this girl in a bar.
Speaker 1:In a bar I mean regular bars, not ladyboy bars. Normally when I speak with the guys over there, if they know I know the ladies they will ask me actually if she has a boyfriend. I never heard how deep is her pussy or does she take it up the ass. It's always more. I think the guys that do come to the bars and do look for that. Maybe it's the girlfriend experience, I don't know.
Speaker 3:No, yeah, it's the girl experience and the ladyboy experience different.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but they are always asking less sexual questions in regular bars rather than in ladyboy bars?
Speaker 3:Yeah, because they know it. That's why they ask for their. She have a boyfriend already or not. On the Dracula girl bar right? Yeah, because they don't want to have any problem with her Thai boyfriend.
Speaker 1:They will never have a problem with the Thai boyfriend of a ladyboy also.
Speaker 3:No, the ladyboy is normal. You can go, but the but the drag girl they're coming like. They're coming like. Please, when now my time to work, send me there. The time finish, come pick me up.
Speaker 1:Okay, that is the girl I see that many times, but I think you, you, you get my point, what I meant about the sexual thing because you mean, like, why is the guy not out about with the girl, not talk the girl much about, why he's more?
Speaker 2:interested to know her sexual features, rather personality features but maybe, just maybe, you have to sing like this. So if you meet a girl, so you not have sexual options, of course you can say like, okay, you take it in the ass too, yeah, so, but this is the only option that you can have. Actually, yeah, so, because everyone, I think, suck cock, yeah, so there are just a few. They say don't. But okay, yeah, but you, you get my point. Yeah, of course so, but it's more interesting, um, knowing it about the ladyboys, because you have many ladyboys. They're only button. So then you, you you're talking to a ladyboy who behave 100% like a girl, like a woman. Yeah, so you cannot have anything special. Maybe she let you suck her cock or whatsoever. But it's more interesting because there are more variations. So she can be bottom, she can be versatil, so that means she's open for both. Or she say like no, I'm more the dominant part, I'm top.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. That's why, again, there are four questions that I normally hear in ladyboy bars how big is her cock? How big is her cock Right? Can she cum Really? Can she fuck other ladyboys and can she fuck ladies? These are the four most common questions you hear, and all of those are fetish questions. Yeah, if you're really into someone, why do you care if she can come or not? Why do you care if she can go without the lady boys or fuck ladies?
Speaker 3:because maybe they would love to know about the third time. They must you know, like step by step, maybe learn about it. I think we will not agree about this point I have.
Speaker 2:I have one thing. I have one thing. So, but you never witness this kind of person. Maybe when they meet someone that they feel like from the first time they see them that this is a special one. If they think it's a special one, they would behave maybe differently. More percentage would be, but there it's more like sexual because they are horny they're looking at her and she makes her.
Speaker 1:I disagree with you, you disagree with me. I tell you why Because most of the guys I know that actually dating ladyboys.
Speaker 1:So they end up then later with a relationship, the relationship with ladyboys and the first thing that they tell me, oh, she has such a big cock, you know, you know a big cock, you know, you know what I mean. Like, yeah, it's still sexual. I, I know few, not all of them, okay, the guys that in relationship it's really 50 50, because the other 50 will tell me, oh, she's such a nice person, I, I really enjoy my time with her. Yeah, I'm having so much time like, or just telling me about her family, or they went to the village together or or whatnot. That's perfect. Why do I need to know the size of her cock? Or if she can do that, she's your fucking girlfriend. Why do you tell me that? I never, you know me, I will never ask such such question. Is it appropriate? No, you will not ask your friends hey, how's your, how's your wife at sucking cock?
Speaker 2:right, no, she have a tight pussy or not, but you have some. But this is thing like it's also different, uh, about the guys. So you just have guys. They like to just show off and we are meeting the same people at the end of the day, come on, yeah, but you just have people. That really. So for me, like, I have friends and they're not even into ladyboys, so they always go in the details about the girls oh, the pussy was so tight, for example so you don't, yes, you have just this kind of.
Speaker 2:That's why no, that's why women women think, yeah, that we men always talking like this, because there are so many guys they're talking like in this kind of sexual manner, just to show off you know, I just showing you. But I like my style, yeah, but I'm the same, I know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, even you are in the industry, you're never speaking like that, no, never.
Speaker 2:So I basically said look, how beautiful she looks in that. So it's always like really like respectful, yeah, but this is just the way. It's just also the way how you see them. You know what I mean, because these guys, they are talking about real girls. They're also just seeing them like they. They say then to me yeah, but she was a prostitute. So even to use this word in in thailand is not really common, because everyone call it like freelancer or you would say she's a working girl.
Speaker 2:I hear yamcha, I hear gree yes, I hear all those words this is yes, but this is already the point.
Speaker 2:So they don't really have the respect for this person and they treat her even also like a sex toy. And this you can not only say that the guys doing that to ladyboys they're doing is, with this kind of attitude, this kind of category guy, they will do it to everyone, they will do it to girls and they will do it to ladyboys because it's just the way they behave and they would only change this behavior if they're falling in love with this kind of person. Maybe, but that's the only way around. And then you have guys like us.
Speaker 1:They're not showing off like this and we always be really respectful and extremely, even too much sometimes, at the point that you know what I mean. No, that sometimes no, yes that sometimes we even not enjoying, we just want them to have fun. For example, when you go to a bar and you just want to oh here, 1,000 baht, play a killer pool, yeah, you enjoy yourself, but it's even too respectful. You know what I mean. You don't know them, you don't get anything out of it, you just want to see them having fun. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I would then more say, maybe, like you give them the drink and you're not really into her, but you think like, okay, maybe she not have a lady drink today and you think she's a nice person.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's normal, that is normal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I also think like this is normal, you know, okay, you cannot be too friendly in Pattaya.
Speaker 1:Come on, you're talking. You're one of the most friendliest guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So it's like yeah, but in in what kind of bad spot it brings you. How long you're not falling in love with every single one and you just be like respectful and friendly, I think you'll be on the safe side. It would be like different and a difficult thing. If you like falling in love every day.
Speaker 1:Yes, then you would have, like you would have problems. Fuck you, scott, by the way, if you are seeing that, but like scott, yeah, he's falling up, falling in love every day. Yeah, I can see that and me as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know that I told you, many people are falling in love with you on a daily basis, that's for sure no, not really, but it was interesting what you said before.
Speaker 1:It was funny that with ladyboys they have more options.
Speaker 2:Yeah, very funny like that it's like right, so that's why also for me it's like for me personally, if she's only button, I think like okay, what is the entire point that I not fuck a lady?
Speaker 1:so if you say again what is the entire, why you prefer ladyboys, you mean no.
Speaker 2:So if, if I made a ladyboy, okay, and the ladyboy tell me oh, I'm only, I'm only bottom, so that means she only wants to get fucked, right. So then I think, okay, so then I can fuck a lady. So what's? What's the entire point? You know what I mean. Because I want it, because your, your sex life can be so much more excited because you get fucked, you can fuck her, so you can do so many things, and so you are kind of limited, yeah, but also most of the ladies are not three-holers, so normally they know.
Speaker 2:So you mean that. Okay, so they have the advantage that you can fuck them in the ass. Okay, but the ladies have the advantage you can fuck a pussy that get wet, yeah, and hopefully it's tight. So it's hopefully, yeah, yeah, it's like that, no comment about it. Did you ever fuck a real pussy?
Speaker 3:or never. I did what it's about when I'm working about nana press oh before, before long time ago because I want to know as well, because I want to know how the pussy you know but, then I tried, not my type, so you're not your type or not your type, not my type.
Speaker 1:I don't like it. I don't like it, you know so then it.
Speaker 3:So only one time, you tried Only one time. But European girl.
Speaker 1:But not Thai.
Speaker 3:With Thai? No, Not for me. I'm shy.
Speaker 1:You know, I've seen the last few months, I've seen it happen a few times.
Speaker 3:But long time ago, but now no more.
Speaker 1:Actually, ladies go to those bars Normally with their boyfriend, but they only want to find someone for, like a ladyboy, to fuck that lady.
Speaker 2:I've seen that a few times, the world getting more open and more open.
Speaker 3:No, no, I mean what?
Speaker 1:I've seen in my eyes the world is open, everything changes.
Speaker 3:Yes, yeah, I have nothing against it, and also like then you not see yet like it's a girlfriend, wife and husband they come together. Then both lady boy bring up with her boyfriend alone, together, and she stay down, wait.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she stay down and wait. Yes, I never see this. Have it, I believe, have everything, but still, it was the first time I saw it.
Speaker 3:It was funny and then let you get who, who, who, you, who use who?
Speaker 1:who do, who fuck who?
Speaker 2:yeah, who fuck who? Then let you get it of course the lady boy fucked the guy. Yes, in the ass, yes okay, that's for sure.
Speaker 1:Okay, good to know. Anyway, I think we need to wrap it up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, we did like way over one hour already, so it's like two episodes it might be maybe you can split it but first of all anything you want to no, hey, we go already over time, so I know, I want again to tell about your thing. No, my thing is my thing, okay.
Speaker 1:No, not this thing, your thing I mean. Your thing, yeah, so you want to say anything to the?
Speaker 3:people that watch us. So then I'm about to say like so if people are watching it, please it's Capsky, follow it. And also like, please, come see me in katoya ass.
Speaker 2:And also like see you soon, guy yeah, you have to invite june for a couple of drinks. She needs some drinks to carry you, hey. And if they are lucky, we are there because we quite often there, so maybe we're sitting in the in the corner on the table.
Speaker 1:Yes, now they know how we look like, yeah, yeah, we are going to get harassed even more. Now maybe we get free drinks, who knows? But really, guys, if you are in the area and you want to see and experience a really yeah good gogo bar and a beautiful lady boys, yeah, but it's also in general, it's a good bar the most sexy PR manager just go to KRU in Soi Bokau. It's called Katuiz Aras. Very easy to find what the name of the restaurant near it everyone knows it.
Speaker 1:Next to the hotel Shabahat next to it and, of course, as Michel said, you might see us there. And one last thing again, we had a Patreon. Go check it out, because because of your support, we can do stuff like that and even more.
Speaker 2:So, thank, you for listening watching and see you next time bye, bye, thank you guys, bye, bye weee.