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The VIP List Doesn't Include Everyone: Our Frustrating Night Out in Pattaya - Bonus Episode
From warm welcomes to cold shoulders, our night exploring Pattaya's club scene revealed a troubling pattern of discrimination that contradicts Thailand's reputation for acceptance.
What started as a fun evening with friends at vibrant spots like Boho and Sun's Club quickly soured when our mixed group tried to enter Tunnel Club. Despite having visited before without issue, this time security blocked our ladyboy friends with a hostile "no ladyboys" policy. The rejection wasn't delivered with respect - it was confrontational and degrading.
When we moved to Myst Club hoping for better treatment, we encountered identical discrimination. It was only at Flex Club that our entire group was finally welcomed without prejudice. The stark contrast between venues highlighted how arbitrary these policies truly are, especially puzzling during low season when establishments should welcome paying customers.
Beyond the personal frustration, this experience raises important questions about Thailand's nightlife culture. The country's predominant Buddhist tradition recognizes three genders, and Thai society generally embraces gender diversity - why then do some venues enforce discriminatory policies? Is it misguided business strategy or deeper prejudice?
The night wasn't all negative. We witnessed the warmth and energy ladyboys bring to venues that welcome them - from impressive dance moves to generous bottle service purchases. The clubs practicing inclusion seemed livelier and more profitable than those turning people away at the door.
If you're planning a night out in Pattaya, consider supporting establishments with consistent, inclusive policies. Places like Boho, Sun's Club, and Flex demonstrate that successful nightlife doesn't require discrimination. By choosing where to spend our money, we can encourage more venues to create truly welcoming environments for everyone.
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Hello everyone and welcome back to my Thai Wife Podcast. I'm Mike and sadly I'm still doing this without my lovely, lovely wife, sunari. But we have two guests again and, by the way, this is a bonus episode, so there will still be an episode on Friday. Hello Pim, hello Scott, hello.
Speaker 2:Hi, hi, mike.
Speaker 1:How are you doing?
Speaker 2:I'm doing great. Hi, guy, I'm good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so actually we are doing this episode just in order to trash on some clubs. That got us really, really angry. I think it was three nights ago, two nights or three nights ago. Two nights ago, I thought yeah, so actually the night started pretty nice. Right, we were at, where were we at? We went to 69 bar, right, and then we went to delirious and after that we went to another place.
Speaker 2:no straight we go to no we went to peachy. No, we went Cindy, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then I was talking with you and you told me you're going To Sun Club, to Sun Club with your friend, right, right, right, it was her birthday the day before, but you still had the battle on.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, we went to Boho first.
Speaker 1:Oh right, right right, wait, wait, wait. So let's get things straight.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it go to boho first, like we get. We get uh just meet up, yeah, and then we straight away to some club, because I um have a bottle of whiskey, uh, uh, before one night yeah, so basically in those clubs you can buy a bottle and if you don't finish it they give you a card and you can use it again. Yeah right, if you ask them for like I can't get a card because like I've got to come back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it was almost full. I saw the battle. It was almost full you barely drank anything.
Speaker 2:No, it's like we just we had a few drinks in Boho in that time before we go to Sun Club and buy a bottle of whiskey.
Speaker 1:Then we feeling I can't say like start but, a little, and that's why we just had like feels, yeah, so when we reached Boho after Cindy's, we were also a group of like. Back then we were four men.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Four men and no, we met everyone else later at the Boho club, right yeah so we went to Boho, and then you and your friend sorry I forgot her name she came over there, yeah right. And then we also met the ladies yeah yeah, and it was nice as Boho. It was fun as usual. It was actually kind of packed, more than normally. It's normally not that packed. I'm not going. I don't know what's going on, like it's the low season and it's just getting yeah, I, it's just like that's the same place, I thought like um
Speaker 2:the people is would like to spin the like good spatial place like walking street so of course everyone walking around that almost every night, but for some place like quiet.
Speaker 1:It's very, very quiet for now yeah, but it was pretty packed in boho that day, that day it's like yeah normally it's like not that much more. By the way, it's a nice like mini club I would call it on walking street. It's very small, like it's not a club club yeah compared to the others ones that we are, other ones that we are going to talk about, but it's it's a nice place but the music was good in that yeah, it's always a good music, but too loud for my taste because you cannot talk in boho but above guy he dancing all the time, yeah, well, we
Speaker 1:will get into. We will get into that, we will get into that. Wait, wait. Back then he was just normally dancing, okay, right. And, by the way, we did it because it was Greg's kind of last day. Greg also was in the podcast, so our listeners know him. So it was his last day in Pattaya. Before he's moving on to other places this way, we had a big meetup. Yeah, his last day in.
Speaker 2:Pattaya before he's moving on to other places. This way, we had a big meetup and it was very nice, and then we went to the sun and we used your card in order to get drunk.
Speaker 1:Yeah, uh, that that night is like I'm a leader. Yeah, she's the leader that night. So we had the battle of whiskey and I think the two of the other guys didn't want to drink whiskey, so they ordered their own drink, and then we met the ladies.
Speaker 2:Ladies, ladies.
Speaker 1:And then we met the other ladyboys, which I will not name, but most of them we know from another bar.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And it was nice. By the way, sun, in my opinion, it's one of the best-looking clubs right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like they invested a lot of money in order to make it nice. By the way, sun, in my opinion, it's one of the best looking clubs right now. Like they invested a lot of money in order to make it and that was packed as well yeah, but it's always packed. Yeah, have you seen it empty?
Speaker 3:before, I think one of the last times when we went oh, but you went very late yeah, but it was quiet. But this yeah, this time was really busy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was nice. It's busy actually, like I really like the club. The music is not that good in my opinion. I think they are going more. They don't have a concept of music, they are just changing the styles all the time so that we get that, and it's kind of expensive, I must say.
Speaker 2:Yeah, probably Is this like is it? Called mixer. What mixer Mixer?
Speaker 1:mixer. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:When you order. Yeah, I paid for the mixer like, I think, 700. Yeah, it's like one bottle of mixer whatever is probably like 150. Something like that. Yeah, yeah, and it doesn't okay.
Speaker 1:I understand that it's about the price in that club yeah, but I I'm surprised because not from your battle, right, your battle already finished with the mixers, yeah, but when you get a battle, you get, let's say, a set of mixers included in the price, right, right, so I will talk about it later, because the last club we went to where I bought the bottle, they didn't give me the mixers for free. They charged me extra, but I didn't want to argue. But they charged me another 1,000 baht for the mixers.
Speaker 3:Wow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I didn't want to say anything because I don't want to cause drama and it's just 1,000 baht, you know. But want to cause drama and it's just 1000 bucks, you know. But it's still. I will talk about it later, okay, yeah, so we went to the sun, we met the bigger group and then we wanted to go to another place that we knew that one of our friends had a battle there, right. So we are talking about the tunnel, the tunnel club now in the tunnel club. We've been many times before.
Speaker 2:For me it's like that time I'm being with you guys like first time.
Speaker 1:You've never been inside the tunnel, not not? So me and Scott and Michelle went there a few times and no problem. Always they let us in. I know Michelle has a bottle over there like ready, ready to use because, as we said, you get a card if you don't finish the battle that time I go here.
Speaker 1:So it's a nice club normally. Normally it's playing most of, I would say, hip hop and R&B. It's not like a dance club. It's a weird vibe but I like it. It's not that big but it feels kind of intimate actually. Ah, okay, normally it's. It's very easy to this place to look packed right. Yeah, and your past experience with that club were good like you enjoyed it a few times yeah you should try it normally, but I think you cannot now after what happened right, yeah, that's only one time.
Speaker 1:Sorry, fuck them, fuck tunnel club. The reason I'm saying that, so the whole group of us. So it was yeah. So when we went to the tunnel we lost Michelle already. So we went three guys, two girls, two ladyboys and then we met the other ladyboys that decided to come with us right, which was a group of four.
Speaker 2:I guess, yeah, four or five, four or five, yeah, but they're coming up. After that, we arrived.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but two minutes after and they knew we were going to the tunnel. This is the reason they went to the tunnel also, and they let everyone in right Except for the tunnel also, and they let everyone in right Except of the ladyboys, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so I think Greg walked straight in. Yeah, I walked straight in. I waited for them. You went in, but then stopped.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:So then we then walked back out, because we were thinking what's going on?
Speaker 1:What the fuck's going on now? And it was like no, no ladyboys, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:We then walked back out because we were thinking what's going on, what the fuck's going on now, and it was like no, no ladyboys.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I gotta say, like it's that one time I'm being with your guys, but that is about like that's an, that's an no, no, that's an 11, not like that it's like just two lady boy and three guy, like that time.
Speaker 1:And two ladies, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and this time, this time it's like that's insane, because like we had lady.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and also we were a big group. Big group spends a lot of money and it's not like that only us three guys paid. Everyone would pay for their drinks, right, and we plan to buy a drink over a, buy a bottle over there, yeah, so but that that is like okay, well, you guys walk and stop by from yeah of the, the how to say that like after the security, yeah that is security.
Speaker 2:And then I'm coming up with ladies my friend lady boy coming and two lady coming yeah, but the lady.
Speaker 1:They want to let the ladies inside, no problem, they just checked your ID first yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:But as like for me is this doesn't like that. I'm just straight away and they know, not letting my kid in. That's it about. About lady they doesn't care because they know the lady. They hope they welcome lady to get in yeah but about to lady boy.
Speaker 1:They say like no, the first reaction was no, no, no, no, no, and they were kind of aggressive about it. In my opinion, it felt not like oh, no, guys, we are sorry, like no way. Yeah, you know, they were kind of fooled about it.
Speaker 1:It was completely uh submissive yeah, it was not and then I spoke with the promoter, because the promoter knows me, and he say, like where are you going? And I say they are not letting the group in. So he went inside and tried to speak with the owners, like it took him, I guess, three minutes, but until he came back and he actually allowed us to go inside. Well, he couldn't let us inside for another reason because one of the lady boys forgot her ID.
Speaker 1:But that's not the reason yeah we felt like we don't want to go there anymore well, yeah, that was another reason because one of the ladyboys forgot her ID, but that's not the reason.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we felt like we don't want to go there anymore.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, that was the thing it was, uh, because I think I said to him I was like look, I appreciate that you've the effort and everything that you've now said that they can come in, but they've already been offended.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Like. You can apply it to anything If someone tells you to fuck off. And then, oh, it's okay in the first place and then goes oh no, actually you can come in. You're like well, fuck you. You didn't want me to do that the first time, so why do I want to come in now when I've been treated like that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's very, I think it's very rude. I think it's very rude and I don't know why clubs do that, Because we spoke about juju last time. But at juju, at least most of the time, if the ladyboy is going with a man in there, they will let her inside. Here we were like a big group, mixed group.
Speaker 2:And they still said no, yeah, because that's the same feeling as the way the lady boy go with man, but it's just like they are let lady boy be a separate, yeah, and I feel like, come on, we can come like a group friend and I was also waiting near the security guys and say they are with me, right.
Speaker 1:I pointed at you and say you guys are with me, yeah and then just, we just walk up, and then they said no yeah until that one more guy said like yeah, we can't get in yeah, after I spoke with and then yeah, about lady boyfriend.
Speaker 2:I have to get a card it doesn't? I gotta say it. Doesn't forget her, bring it, but it's loose. Yeah, she does she find it, by the way at the end no, no, not yet.
Speaker 1:No, her forget the only one and until the promoter came, the other group of ladyboys that we know that knew that we are going to the tunnel. They also joined us and they will not let anyone in. So I went up to them because I'm You're already angry, yeah so I went up to them because I'm You're already angry, yeah, we knew them and I was like yeah, I'm going to fucking chance.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it's more than first of all. It's more than that. We knew them. They came there because they knew we are going there also.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and as like they are, I gotta say like sick people, like more than us walking when we yeah, yeah, no problem they they. They are okay, well, you go, you gotta go first, then I'm coming up later. So it's like okay, we coming a little bit, but they are like group together and doesn't like the way. Is um coming and looking customer? I thought they just come and hang out like a friend, but the way is they say no. I'm feeling like.
Speaker 2:I don't want to go anymore yeah, I don't want to go, because I just walked right away and they know, that's it like, yeah, you just see how we look. Okay, we are a ladyboy and they already know and they just see us, but they don't really know us. What the reason why we're coming?
Speaker 1:because we come with friends yeah, and I told them we are coming as a group and I think we all planned. I'm talking about the business side. When you see a big group, you want to let them inside.
Speaker 3:They are going to spend a lot of money the thing is as well, because I was thinking about this. It's fucking closed season as well. Why are you turning people?
Speaker 1:away, yeah, even Juju. There are rumors that soon he will let Ladyboys inside again. Well, I hope they will not go, because it's not fair, like oh, it's closed season, now we need you.
Speaker 2:No, I, oh, it's low season now we need you. Yeah, if you, if you, it is much better if it doesn't have anything like this. No more I think about like we human, we same we. That's about that. It is about sexual, so it's not the way is you can make the rule to get people.
Speaker 1:I don't know if it's bigoty, you can get me. I don't know if it's from like being a bigot or just for they don't want that customers that are afraid of ladyboys will not come inside, right. I don't know if it's like business oriented decision or like bigot.
Speaker 3:I was thinking about this before we started talking and you know I'm from the UK. You can't get, not hope in hell. You can get away with doing stuff like this now back there, and I don't want to say stuff that will get me in trouble say the wrong thing, but you know, ladyboys are a common thing in Thailand. It's what people say. It's what people say to me when I say I'm going to Thailand oh ladyboys the first day of summer.
Speaker 1:You're going to sack cock over there.
Speaker 3:So it's not a rare occurrence over here. And then I've spoken to loads of ladyboys about their situation and when they decided, when they knew they were ladyboy, uh, how their family felt about it. And you know the majority of them, yeah, family support me. You know we're open.
Speaker 1:Thailand is an open country and also the their buddhist stream, believe in three genders. You know that right, okay so the stream of buddhism that they teach in Thailand. There is only one other country in the world that teaches the same, which is Sri Lanka. In this stream of Buddhism, they believe in three genders, so men, lady and whatever is between.
Speaker 3:Right, okay. So, that being said, it's like why is there then this discrimination?
Speaker 1:So it might be business oriented, because I know some guys and, by the way, the walking street really changed in the past, let's say five years. So it used to be multicultural and now it's mostly Indian and Arab, in my opinion, and I know the Muslim guys, they are more, I would say, but they think the ladyboys are harm, right, but still they're a bit scared of them and maybe it's a business oriented decision, but it's still a fucked up decision yeah there is a way to do that.
Speaker 3:I mean, if they were, you know, the only time I've been refused into a nightclub in the UK is when I've been on like a stag do, which would be like a bachelor party or however you'd say, in other countries. But you know, and that's generally a big group of lads, drunk lads, yeah, and they're worried that you're going to come in and cause trouble. So that's the only thing, yeah, and they're worried that you're going to come in and cause trouble.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and trap the place so that's the only thing. Now, I'm sure it has happened, but I've never seen any ladyboys misbehaving in a club.
Speaker 1:It used to happen. There are stories from 10 years ago, yeah, yeah, that's what I mean.
Speaker 3:I'm sure it has happened, but I've never witnessed it. Now, if they were going in and stabbing people every fucking night.
Speaker 1:Then you can kick them out.
Speaker 3:Then like look you know, but it's. And one thing, like you said, business-wise, whenever I've seen ladyboys in nightclubs, they're always buying bottles. They're not buying individual drinks, like they go out to spend their money.
Speaker 1:You're right as a group.
Speaker 2:You're right, but they're still not spending as much as the foreigners. And you, you know that some foreigners are really like afraid and avoid ladyboys. You know that yeah, yeah, um. For for my experience is like well, okay, doesn't a lot. I see ladyboy coming up. I mean like come like hang out together and go to nightclub like a big group. They are looking for men. That that is not really the reason why they had that night. I mean like go out like big group and looking for men no, they're just going to have fun most of them just finished work at the bar right.
Speaker 1:They already had their share of men and now they just want to enjoy themselves. This is why they spend money for their own battle. They're staying in their own little group and dancing together and drinking together.
Speaker 3:They pay their own bar fine to get themselves out of the bar.
Speaker 1:No, the best example was what we saw in the sun. Right, we had our own two tables and the other group of ladyboys that we know had like two tables also and everyone on their side. They are staying with their own group. Yeah, Like not mixing even with other people. Yeah, Like.
Speaker 2:So is this about the foreigners?
Speaker 1:Maybe I'm trying to guess. I'm not sure about this.
Speaker 2:Well, I had like I have some guy like a friend.
Speaker 1:Decide guy or a friend.
Speaker 2:Two guys. They are friends and they drink together in a table like nearby me, and then they are start talking about me. But I doesn't do anything, I just you know stay in my space dancing drinking with friend and who's tired about who's tired about, like, curious and talking about them and I feel like I doesn't do anything, I doesn't come to talking, flirt, whatever I doesn't do like trying to get in what they said they said like oh, how look like that lady, the ladies, the lady boys, and but have like muscle and, you know, like a tall and and okay, we are talking about this all the time.
Speaker 1:So between ourselves, so even with you yeah, it's like they are sorry.
Speaker 2:They are sad to have conversation like this okay, but it's not a bad thing in general yeah, and then the the reason why, I know because a friend of me he uh, okay, so, lady boy, okay, call her she, so she understand the, the language they speak. Okay, and she talks to me like okay, that's how they're talking to you, like, yeah, they're curious about you, lady, lady boy, and I said like I don't care about that because, I don't need to. You know, I don't need to talk to them.
Speaker 1:If they talk to me, it's up to them.
Speaker 2:Well, that is like they say oh look, that's not like blah blah, blah, blah. I said I don't, I don't think her about it. If she doesn't like me, just get into me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, get into me, that's Not not. I mean it's like not come.
Speaker 2:That's it like if we are separate. You enjoy, I'm enjoying, that's it. That's what I want. I tell my friend.
Speaker 1:They're like um, yeah, her angry.
Speaker 2:For me it's like um this we can enjoy together and this conversation.
Speaker 1:Conversation is not happen, you know I understand, but sometimes it's coming out from curiosity, right?
Speaker 3:let's say it's the first time they're in thailand and oh, that's a lady boy. Yeah, they may never have said one before, yeah, but I'm saying that's not necessarily a bad thing.
Speaker 1:Sometime maybe he even will speak louder because he wants you to hear, and maybe you can't speak with him.
Speaker 2:Yeah right, but they are constantly yeah I get that and act and doesn't like they act to me like really they don't like me and with a movement whatever, and they like not move too much, not too loud, and it's like I don't do anything, yeah, like just leaning into each other's ear.
Speaker 1:I know what you mean.
Speaker 2:Maybe like okay, dancing, so something like over.
Speaker 1:You know movement, so like you know, like around and they doesn't like and they, you know, like yeah, but you're not. You're never touching anyone.
Speaker 2:You're dancing with yourself, basically after that have security, like standing on my back and I feel like what, what's going on, because they just you know, yeah by the way, I want to say something about Sun Club again.
Speaker 1:One second. You remember that there was some lady that came and say hello to you, hello to me. Yeah, you know the reason. I didn't buy you a drink, because the last time someone introduced us and not telling me she's a promoter in the bar, ah, so in the Sound Club there are some girls that are working there in order to get drinks. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But if someone introduced me to a girl, I assume she's just a random girl, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So then I bought her a drink and then I say, oh, the drink is very expensive.
Speaker 1:And then I see she gets a little piece of paper.
Speaker 3:That means like she made her commission uh yeah, yeah, yeah, so I had the same in juju.
Speaker 2:Okay, we have this conversation I was like I'm not quite sure why that is what I have, yeah, but she don't have any name tags or nothing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like normal girl hangout yeah, but she's not, and this is why I said hello and she asked me like three times for a drink. I said no yeah because if at the first place she was saying listen, I walk here, so if you buy me drink, it would be like this, then I will decide right. Okay, now back to the tunnel right, I think.
Speaker 3:Going back to what you just saying, pim, like I Think, if you're a tourist and you come into Thailand, there's fucking ladyboys here. Get over it, especially in cities like Pattaya. Pattaya or parts of Bangkok. You're going to see it, get over it. They're not going to come and harass you or attack you.
Speaker 1:If you want to speak to them.
Speaker 3:If you want to interact with them, then you can.
Speaker 1:They're most of the funny people you can find here are ladyboys. Yeah, absolutely, but yeah, then you can't. There are most of the funny people you can find here are ladyboys yeah, absolutely so, it's.
Speaker 3:But yeah, I think you don't need to be scared, just get over it yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I gotta say, like I doesn't, I'm a human, and human viking doesn't bite anyone. Like it well.
Speaker 1:I can argue about biting well, it's, it's like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they just don't like. But how they react to to me is make me feeling uncomfortable yeah say so. Yeah, maybe it's a depends on personal for me. For me it's like I need to be quiet and doesn't like to have trouble on, so that's why I'm quiet and I'm uh, you know, like change play, uh, change place to stand, and stay because you don't want to listen to that even yeah, yeah, like that so the thing is as well like.
Speaker 3:Ladyboys don't just work in bars or clubs in Thailand, they work everywhere. 7-11 we met one ladyboy that worked at immigration yeah, I know today I went to the pharmacy and it was a ladyboy that served me. I didn't go. Oh fuck, I'm not buying these drugs, I'm out of here.
Speaker 1:I know you enough that you probably these drugs. I'm out of here. Well, I know you enough that you probably want to buy more drugs out of her.
Speaker 3:So it's like you know, just because you see them in a bar or club it doesn't mean that they will harass you for something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for me. I'm a lady who are farmer, so I have farmer, I'm working in a farm. So it do, I have farmer, I'm working in the farm. So it's like, if I'm doesn't working here, as like a freelancer lady working in a bar, I go back home and work as a farmer.
Speaker 1:Work as a farmer and in.
Speaker 2:Germany have holiday, I'm come to Patria and hang out like other lady hang out in the nightclub so it doesn't know who they are and how they do job whatever.
Speaker 1:Yeah, don't assume, all of them are prostitutes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, don't judge people from how they look like, because they want to show up like how they're pretty and yeah, you just appreciate like okay, you look pretty, that's it.
Speaker 1:But that's about like, oh, and you can speak with them. You can be polite and be nice, don't be afraid to talk with them, but still nice, don't be afraid to talk with them, but still don't act like, oh, it's a lady boy, I have to get out of here, because then you will not find any place, even if you go now, central festivals, for example right, it's the biggest mall here. Well, the second biggest now after terminal. Yeah, there's so many lady boys that walking, like any regular stores there not only the beauty shop, by the way. Everywhere, like adidas, there is one lady boy I remember I went, I want, I was searching to buy another laptop, so I want, I went to banana. There was like one lady boy that knew more about computers than me, which is kind of surprising, right, and she like corrected me about two things so yeah, about, about sexual I can, I can call it sexual.
Speaker 2:It doesn't mean like they can do only one thing. So we human and we can do many things in a world like um it.
Speaker 1:It doesn't mean, only man can boxing okay, wait, wait, wait, don't talk about this. This we keep for another episode it's like, it's like I want to make a special episode that will speak about Pim boxing career because she used to be a boxer. I told you about that. No, you haven't saw the. She haven't showed you the video. No, no okay, later I know about someone else that we know no, no, she won a competition like it's okay, we will keep it. I will show you later okay she will show you.
Speaker 2:I don't have it on my phone, but yeah so yeah, I just said, like something man can do, I can do, and something lady can do I can do that same as like lady, and how the song goes I can do that yeah, it's like it's normally, so I think about this, this opinion yeah, you're like finish.
Speaker 3:You're like coke and pepsi. Sorry, you're like coca-cola and Coca-Cola and Pepsi and Pepsi. You know like people always argue which is better, like there's one or the other. You're both.
Speaker 2:I think both. Yeah, I can.
Speaker 1:Copsi.
Speaker 2:Copsi, I am Copsi, copsi Sprite.
Speaker 1:It's funny because in Israel, so the word for well, here it's called ladyboy and in the world it's called tranny or trans or whatever. Let's say, if I'm not politically correct, it's tranny. In Israel. The word is such a funny word because it came like the word in Israel for ladyboy, basically is coccinelle. Now, coccinelle is a French word that means a ladybug. No, no, sorry, a beetle, not a ladybug. Now, the reason it became the word for that term is because in the 60s or the 70s was some French lady, French drag queen that named Coxinelle, that came to perform in Israel. It was such a big shock that everyone, if you want to say someone is a trans or whatever, oh, coxinelle it's like how they in no, it's just the name here you call lady boy in Israel, coxinelle right, and you say before Coxie right.
Speaker 1:So this is the short.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just the name here you call ladyboy in Israel, coxinel Right and you say before Coxie Right. So this is the short. Yeah, it's funny, that's like you know, like it's just good to being okay. I can say like before I'm I have, like I'm, I have like thinking about I could have friend of Theran or not like talking job like this.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Well, today's a happen, of course.
Speaker 1:Why not? You are a funny person, yeah. And it's like yeah, wait, wait, wait. Like a friend. You are not our friend, you are just using us. No, no, no, sorry, sorry, I say wrong.
Speaker 2:Like, we are friends yeah, and you know what it doesn't? It doesn't have any about travel curiosity. We friend and we talk yeah, and we talk open. So about um scare a lady boy or whatever, please get it out of your mind and finish this like yeah, but as I said before, for some of them is a religion thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which is still funny, because going with prostitutes no, going with prostitutes is also haram. Right, it's also haram. I mean the muslims. So, oh, no, no, no, I'm not doing a haram thing because I'm not touching, well, ladyboys, but I still fuck 20 prostitutes every day, and drink alcohol, by the way, which is not allowed at your religion. So what the fuck are we talking about? Come on, just be respectful for everyone. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So now it's just like we need to need to. I know that we cannot change them how they do in the nightclub and doesn't want ladyboy get in like that, but we haven't finished the story yet. The story is getting worse the way is fly out somewhere.
Speaker 1:They open for you wait let me do the introduction for that. So first of all, fuck tunnel at Walking Street. Let's start with that. Fuck tunnel, and after tunnel, everyone I think it was Greg mainly repeat saying the name Mistbar, mistclub, mistclub, mistclub.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Mistclub.
Speaker 1:So we went there and you went forward. You went before me because I went with Pim and her friend to look for the ID, the lost ID.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, we were like we were almost after the last experience. We were almost prepared for.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you went. Wait, we'll just explain who you walked with.
Speaker 3:So you went with the two ladies and the other four ladyboys that we went outside, right, okay, two ladies and the other four ladyboys that we went outside, right, okay so, but greg went with some yeah, so we like split up and went in, as like noah's ark okay yeah he's always doing his own, yeah but um, so yeah, and literally as soon as we walked up to security, he just said no, I I was like what? He said they're ladyboys. I said no, they're ladies. They always say they're ladies. I almost thought he'd be like what do you mean? They're ladyboys? That's funny.
Speaker 2:The truth is coming.
Speaker 3:So I was like they're, yeah, they're ladies, and he, he just wasn't yeah he wasn't entertaining it at all and I don't want to say I was getting aggressive, but I was annoyed because you, you, I kept. I was sort of arguing with the guy and you tried to say then we showed up there is nothing to do.
Speaker 1:It's not worth it because, anyway, if they want to let us inside, we don't want to go there anymore and just getting into fight, yeah, let's say, even we beat him up, then the police get involved, then what?
Speaker 3:I wasn't going to go down there, but I was just, yeah, just trying to argue the point.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but they did not get it, they just got the.
Speaker 3:What is the reason?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so then we left there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I've never been to Mist, so I don't know if it's a good club or bad club. But fuck, missed also.
Speaker 2:So missed new walking street. I doesn't do anything. I just like you know that time I need to go to yeah, I remember you always piss yourself I'm saying so softly like sorry, can I get in toilet please? I just need toilet. I did like I show id card because I'm yeah, I make sure like I'm totally in I just need toilet because that's a strange way to hear. Yeah, and they say no, no, lady, but it's like huh, I just need toilet, I really need toilet. If you doesn't get, let me in.
Speaker 1:I pee, pee on you.
Speaker 2:I and say I'm a lady, while holding your cock and kissing his leg I'm a lady. Yeah, okay, well, if you really um, welcome me to, to to have to drain inside. So of course security is not have only two, three front of that inside. So yeah, they put like follow me, and then okay, just to make sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, just make sure like I'm, and then okay.
Speaker 2:Just to make sure yeah, just to make sure like I'm in toilet and I get out, that's it so, but they doesn't really like, they don't care.
Speaker 1:They don't care, that's very nice to. You went to the toilet? No, she had to go behind the bars at the back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and pay money and then fucking that it's much it's what I can do.
Speaker 1:You know, for that time so I, I don't know we had that bad experience in two clubs already at the same night. Yeah, so again, fuck tunnel and fuck mist. M-i-s-t for not letting us in. M-i-s-t why, why? Oh, it's with. Why, yeah, it's why. Before you check, you say m-y-s-T, y-y, oh, it's with Y, yeah, it's Y. Before you checked, you say Y-S-T, okay. So fuck, yeah. And then we went to another place that I thought Was called Miss, but you tell me it's called Flex Flex.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I never been there before.
Speaker 2:Have you been there before? For me, I've been there before For one time, and that is be like second time I'm being so I heard.
Speaker 1:Normally they let ladyboys inside, but from the back door. No, no, I'm not joking, I know it's funny I know, I know it sounds funny.
Speaker 2:The back, the back door, is about um, I had like uh with, I gotta say like Miss, or, yeah, miss and Republic. That is about like ladyboy as a group have to get in the back door.
Speaker 1:That is what I know, but above, like no matter what we're struggling from it was my first time over there, so it's also I think it's only played like hip-hop, right yeah.
Speaker 2:So I gotta say it's only played like hip-hop, right? Yeah, yeah. So I'm going to say is it good to call them like black people? Yeah, yeah, okay. So the flight is.
Speaker 1:Just don't say any other word than that no, no, no Sorry. Is it good to call them the?
Speaker 2:N-word no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1:So that for like club it is just like a lot of black people and yeah, and you know the owner is also. You told me the owner is black, right, he's a black guy, the manager, oh manager, so yeah, and about like dim style, whatever.
Speaker 2:I really like that, yeah, and for for me it's like well, the way, is they open for lady boy? No matter what you come with man or not, you come with a friend.
Speaker 1:You have a life I told you the other night I saw two lady boys that I know yeah and they came alone like yeah, yeah so.
Speaker 3:So we all went in then. But then we saw others.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we saw another group that we know, yeah, yeah, from other bars and stuff. So we've been like, at the end we've been like, I think, 10 people.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like that.
Speaker 1:Maybe more, even yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:But the way it's. What they needed is the ID card. That's it, to make sure you're trending already.
Speaker 1:And it's a nice bar. I didn't really like the way it's built, because it's felt weird. So there is like the dancing flow, right, and then it's just three or four rows of table and then the VIP in the back. Yeah, it's built kind of weird, in my opinion that is the. The way is that they're building before of course I'm not saying they have to change the building and say just the setup is weird.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can see like they have to change the building and say just the setup is weird. I can see like they try to get more table on the middle. You see like a lot of people standing in the middle and actually, first we didn't get the table.
Speaker 1:They just placed out on some like I don't know what. It was like a big foam it's a speaker, oh it was the speaker itself itself.
Speaker 3:I thought this was fun. No, no, no, it was fun, wasn't it?
Speaker 1:yeah, there wasn't but very quickly we got the table because someone left. But the experience I had over there was kind of weird and I spoke about it before. So I knew that in this place I want to buy the bottle of whatever alcohol we choose and I said that before. So I asked for the menu and at the menu it said that the bottle of vodka, with it's absolute vodka, will cost 2650. Yeah, and I asked would it come with wixers? Right? He said yeah, of course, of course, of course. He said how many people you are? He said give me for six people. He said seven. I said no, no, six enough, right, because it's about how many glasses we get yeah and then he went.
Speaker 1:It took him like five minutes. He came back with the bottle, poured the drink for everyone and then he came with the bill and it's $3,550. Oh yeah. So I asked what's going on. He said no, no, no, it's with everything together. I said with what I asked you before.
Speaker 1:So, like the price, the bucket of ice, yeah, the bucket of ice, the mixer, which were three Coke, I think, and two soda we got, yeah, and the bottle of vodka itself, yeah. So I didn't argue because it was late and I just wanted we us have fun and let's be honest's be honest for foreigners 1000 baht is not that much like okay, we just paid that. But I think and if someone from there from flex listening, don't do that shit, come on, be, be, be okay with us, we are coming to spend money, don't fuck us on that small thing, just tell ahead. You can say if he would say from the start listen, this is the price for the battle. If you want mixer, it's extra, no problem but he doesn't say anything.
Speaker 2:Yeah no, I asked but he asked, but he doesn't it was kind of weird okay, um. So I want to know like that one doesn't code more and you want to say again one doesn't code more. Yeah about everything they said and about yeah, if you need me some more, is it coming or you have to know?
Speaker 1:he paid more. How much you paid for the extra mixers? You remember only 350. Yeah, for for three coke like that. No, two coke, one pepsi, uh, two coke, one Sprite. Sorry, yeah, yeah, something like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I feel like for one dozen. It would be like you know, like mixer is just like as coming, like unlimited yeah as many as you need okay.
Speaker 1:That would be fair if they told me again from the start. Yeah, I don't know what's going on. They were even nice enough to give us some snacks. You remember they gave us some I don't know what was it, but like a snack also. But just be honest, it's kind of basically a bill padding at the end of the day, because this is the price we settle on. And I ask you, but the club was okay, the VIP section.
Speaker 2:When it got like there was a free place to sit, it was nice yeah, and when we get in, it's like you see, they, they doesn't have any excuse about like your lady boy, whatever, and then like they open for everyone to get in and have fun. So you can see like there are four people in there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it wasn't very dancing-oriented. I felt that not many people were dancing. At one point I saw something like a square dancing that they did there. You saw that. Move to the left, move to the right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like in Jordan. You can see like.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but most of the people weren't dancing. It's not like the other clubs that we are going to they like a chat. I see like people coming and dancing just a little and then they're talking like yeah, and the music is not that loud, you can actually speak over there yeah, yeah and yeah, it's like.
Speaker 2:I see it like I doesn't know how, about some nightclubs that doesn't open for ladyboy or whatever, but about yeah, I see from like for open for everyone. They are full and they make money and yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I would say another thing that few nights ago, me, michelle and you also went to, for example, to tunnel, and they let us everyone in With ladyboys, with ladyboys, with ladyboys, yeah yeah, they let everyone in yeah, not a problem. So, I don't know what's going on. Maybe it's like that was literally like a week ago. It was three days before. We still had the battle from the same day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I understand why you would like to go there.
Speaker 1:It's not the first time we went. Michel always liked to go there. I don't know why, but at the end of the night he wanted to finish his night there. I think it's because they have McDonald's in the phone, but I'm not sure he's cheating.
Speaker 2:Anyway, it's like I don't know how maybe they organized from from. People will like see, but when they see at the night people will like see, but when they see I will not measure and would be like uh doesn't care, maybe like that.
Speaker 1:But no, no, no, it's not because of michelle I think it's about like a lady boy no, you know what I tell you.
Speaker 1:More than that. Last time we went me, him and michelle. No lady boys, no, there were one lady boy with us and then we met another guy that I will not say his name. That came with two lady boys that were working at Delirious, which I will not name, and they came separately. Yeah, they came to sit with us eventually, because we know each other, but they came separately. So it's not about Michelle, right? So I don't know what to tell you. They just change the policy all the time so is this?
Speaker 2:I see how it's about me. I mean, like I change to go in nightclub, open for ladyboy or not, and try many, and now I prefer to go somewhere open for ladyboys.
Speaker 1:So Boho, as you said before, sun Club, there are not many actually, not many actually, yeah, flex.
Speaker 2:But yeah.
Speaker 1:I think Republic also.
Speaker 2:Republic not.
Speaker 1:No, Not no. Greg told me.
Speaker 2:They had a sign like no ladyboys, really, they had a sign, yeah.
Speaker 1:No ladyboys, no Jews. No, I want to say something.
Speaker 2:Well, you know that Thailand is 15 years behind.
Speaker 1:Yeah, people somewhere will come for me, lady boyboy, and will come for everyone. Know about separate or standard whatever, but the best music, in my opinion, is Boho still Boho. Because you can find good dance music. I told you, I think, at the club, that I haven't heard anyone play faithless for so many years. And then they play faithless with the new mixes it was nice.
Speaker 2:Like I said, in Boho, it's very, very pretty.
Speaker 1:Extremely pretty, but it's so small that it feels like a bar more than a club.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but if you want some players, it's like you justU out and dancing, so Boho is the choice number one.
Speaker 1:I will not say his name for a reason of what I'm going to say now, but we even saw a guy over there that we normally call him Chip Charlie, and even he goes to the Boho because it's not that expensive and it's a nice place to relax.
Speaker 2:you said, like if you just want to listen to music and have some fun so is it good, because that night we finished, that night we had a good night well, I want to hear your side of the story, because I left you and Greg there, by the way, it was funny.
Speaker 1:Wait, wait, wait, you will hear it was funny. Wait, wait, wait, wait, you will hear. It was funny because Greg said goodbye like six times and we both said, okay, I'm going to see you next year and then he just showed up again. What are you doing here? Oh, no, no, no, I forget Whatever. So I left because I haven't seen Pim, and then we met outside Because apparently she went to the toilet for half an hour. I don't know what you did over there.
Speaker 2:I had something to talk with the lady.
Speaker 1:Okay, your business, not my business. Yeah, and then I left you and Greg there.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then what happened?
Speaker 3:That was it.
Speaker 1:Okay, that was it, you, and.
Speaker 3:Greg, what? No, you did your move, your usual move. I've been known to put eye heels on and nuts around Because, like what you said earlier, like anything you can do, I can do Better.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's why I'm.
Speaker 3:I could leave the toilet early, more than I can see him hide you on again this is what I've proved by doing that it's only recently that I've started doing it, but I'm pretty fucking good at it and I want to explain it's not like he's walking around with high heels until they reach the club.
Speaker 1:You have normal shoes and then around with high heels until they reach the club. Right, you have normal shoes and then you take high heels from someone. It's not like normally. Oh yeah, now I'm just a guy with high heels.
Speaker 2:That is good, because he doesn't have to buy a high heel for you at all.
Speaker 1:No, we do, because we already looked in Lazada. The other time we went to Cindy's but the lady over there I don't know her too much so I don't want to give her money, but I need you to order high heels for him. 43, 9 inch. No, not 9 inch, 6 inch.
Speaker 2:Sorry, you have 43. Yeah.
Speaker 3:With 6 inch 43, 44.
Speaker 2:I have one long as similar, like 9 inch, like this yeah, same same.
Speaker 1:They are just measuring their foot right now.
Speaker 2:I want to listen to her. I can't see like we have same my feet, same size with Scott.
Speaker 1:You need to check what also more similar in size. I'm talking about the arms, I'm not sure. At the end it was a fun night. It was fucked up. And again, fuck Juju. I know we haven't spoke that day, but fuck Juju, fuck Daniel, fuck Mist yeah, and yeah, everyone else.
Speaker 2:I want to again. I was like if you doesn't like it doesn't mean like for gender or whatever. If you doesn't like how doesn't mean like for gender or whatever. If you doesn't like how they treat people, that's the same way you know. Like, doesn't begin like big human and do like separate about whatever, about how you wear on, about your outfit, about your look like or about your gender. Doesn't go that place. Yeah, exactly, looking somewhere open and welcome for it.
Speaker 1:And also, you will enjoy yourself more when you go to a bar that accepts everyone, because, as you said, the most crazy dancer you would see would be the ladyboys, probably, and they will be the most drunk people over there because they are drinking like this right and for will be the most drunk people over there, because they are drinking like this, right and for, by the way, you saw at sun club that one of our friends that work at the lilies just took a bunch of 20 notes and just start, yeah, like sending.
Speaker 2:She went on the stage and, like in the ski plus strip club, she starts throwing the money everywhere, because that open, open for them to feeling do everything yeah and that time we have, we gotta have like a, then competition on in a flicker, in effect, on me, I dance, show you, yeah, but you dance first, and then I just went fuck this, yeah.
Speaker 3:and then you just start twerking around.
Speaker 2:I just went, nah I'll lose yeah, so I'm feeling like that is a welcome for me and I feel like I can be myself. I'm feeling like very comfortable to do like how to dance like that and with no one, just you and they are appreciate.
Speaker 1:you like, oh, you dance good, good, good, yeah, and also the security over there must stay are extremely good because, for example, I will not say who, but some of one of our friends was heavily making out with some girl over there, right, he basically was sitting on her and her boobs were outside. I will not say who, okay.
Speaker 1:But I'm pointing at Scott here and then the security, because she cannot be half naked in the club. He just came and asked very nicely, listen, please tell your friend to stop, because it's not nice. He wasn't aggressive about it, he was very nice and didn't I just told you like cut it out. But for example, no, it was funny. But for example, one time me and Greg went to Juju yeah, yeah, and we just walking around looking two people to interact with you know, and we saw one guy with like four or five ladies, yeah, so we said hello to him. Then the security came Just because we were talking go out, why, what happened? You are harassing him? I said no, we are just talking. We came to say hello and the guy was also shocked. So he said nothing and we're just kicked out because we were talking to someone yeah, they are so aggressive over there, yeah, so that that is like um, so that
Speaker 1:that is like um, it for for first. It's called like a first impression. Yeah, it does my first impression with a flex club good. By the way, I have to say my first impression with tunnel was also good, but for some reason it's changed so like if I would say, which is my favorite night club right now from the one that I've been in and I'm not going to nightclub that much sun. I really like the setting over there. I think the prices are okay. They are a bit steep but still reasonable.
Speaker 2:Yeah but anyway, it's like looking like you feel like to go out. But, if that night before you go and they're like, okay, open for a ladyboy, a ladyboy can get in, this doesn't have any problem. And then another night you feel like I want to go night out, and then that night it's like no, no, no, no, no. It's weird yeah.
Speaker 1:It makes you feel more unwelcome, like even in the beginning. They say no, you understand. Oh, okay, that nightclub is like that and she said before no ladyboys allowed. Okay, they're a problem, but at least they are not making us feel weird about it.
Speaker 3:Yeah but to keep flipping changing it it's like you think that you're welcome, you go oh yeah, like, which is even worse.
Speaker 1:This is why I really hope that, if what I heard that is true, if what I heard will be true, that Juju is going to open next month for Ladyboys, I hope no one go there. I hope the Ladyboys will not go there, because it's the worst thing that they can do. Right, better just say we find another place Even now. Right, better, just say we find another place even now they let us in.
Speaker 2:Why? Because it's the low season, because they are losing money. Fuck that, don't go there. Because it doesn't, doesn't. I mean it's like, doesn't say, it's like you, you cannot doing like, ask them to get in like that way, because it's like when you're yeah, when you're popular, when, when you have, how do you say that? Like, everyone wants to get in, but you're like no, no, no, and then in one day you lose people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when you are doing great, then you start like say, okay, I'll try to do better by segregating people. This is what is going on, basically. And then when you are losing money, you say, oh, oh, the people that I didn't want to let in now I need them because I need them to draw customers or they pay money by themselves and yeah, I think probably ladyboy doesn't like to go that I hope they will not go, but sadly I know they will because the location is so good.
Speaker 2:Of juju sonia, yeah, but the way it's like. So people like they are they, they can find new things, they can find a place.
Speaker 1:So maybe it's like yeah, but in that area it's very hard to find new place well, yeah, we need to stop we need to talk it off, like not on radio, not on when we are recording, because I told you who is going to do something about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and one of our friends thinks of doing something that will improve the area. Yeah, so I'm going to say we have to. You know, like finish yeah.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, it is hard because everyone is silent. And today she's the technician, the sound technician, and she see the timers go to one hour and she, oh, we have to finish, let's finish now get out of my mind. There are a few things we have to say before that. All right.
Speaker 1:So first of all, scott, amazing to have you again as always and I hope we will have you again the next not the next time, but sometime in the future. I know you are going to bangkok soon, so, yeah, I want to hear that experience when you come back, because I'm not a bangkok guy.
Speaker 2:You know me, so I want to know what is going on over there because maybe I like that, like maybe I want to bangkok is going on over there, because maybe I want to Bangkok.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you were to Bangkok.
Speaker 2:No, like I want to Bangkok.
Speaker 1:Bangkok. I don't understand the joke. Sorry, that's a joke, yeah.
Speaker 2:Do you want to Bangkok? Okay, I understand. Do you want to Bangkok?
Speaker 1:It's a ladyboy joke. Yeah, yeah, I want to Bangkok, Okay Do you want a Bangkok.
Speaker 2:It's a ladyboy joke.
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