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My Thai Wife
From Poker Winnings to Porn Stardom: Michel's Thailand Journey and Pattaya's ladyboys
Meet Michel, a 40-year-old German expat whose 15-year journey in Thailand reveals a fascinating story of reinvention and authenticity. With remarkable candor, Michel shares how a modest $10,000 poker tournament win propelled him from his comfortable German life to the tropical shores of Koh Samui at age 27.
His initial venture—opening a restaurant despite having zero cooking experience—showcases the adventurous spirit that would define his path. "I couldn't even cook," Michel laughs, explaining how he partnered with a Thai chef while handling customer service. After seven years on the island, the familiar paradise began to feel limiting, leading him to Pattaya's more vibrant scene. Little did he know this move would completely transform his life.
When COVID devastated Thailand's tourism economy, a chance encounter with another German expat introduced Michel to adult webcamming. Through trial and error, he discovered that performing with ladyboys created a unique market niche with far less competition. This savvy business insight eventually attracted production companies seeking Western performers for ladyboy-focused content. Now, Michel produces weekly shoots, maintains relationships with numerous models, and has built a substantial following on OnlyFans, which he describes as financially transformative compared to other platforms.
Beyond the business details, Michel offers profound insights about sexual identity and societal judgment. "If guys who are into ladyboys were gay, they wouldn't be dating someone who looks like a woman," he points out, challenging common misconceptions. He speaks emotionally about overcoming his own internalized shame and learning to live authentically: "The highest value in life is time. If you only live to please people around you, you'll regret it."
Whether you're fascinated by Thailand's cultural complexities, curious about unconventional career paths, or interested in discussions of sexual identity beyond traditional labels, Michel's story offers a refreshingly honest perspective. Tune in to hear how embracing your truth—however unexpected or unconventional—might lead to your most authentic life.
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Hello everyone and welcome back to my Thai wife podcast. I'm Mike and I'm still doing this without my lovely, lovely wife, sunari, but again Pim is here.
Speaker 2:Hi everyone, nice to see you.
Speaker 1:And we have a special guest today. One of my best friends here in Thailand. Hello Michel, hello guys, pleasure to be in here.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we've been waiting for that long time oh my god, yeah, we spoke about it Long, long time.
Speaker 1:It took a while.
Speaker 3:It took a while. Yeah, you busy, I'm busy, you know.
Speaker 1:I'm busy. Yeah, so we're all busy a little bit but we make it happen now.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think we're all excited. At least I'm excited.
Speaker 1:We are excited more than you, Okay okay let's see Fairly. So first of all, would you like to introduce yourself?
Speaker 3:Yeah, of course my name is Michel. I'm 40 years old, I'm from Germany, but living in Thailand for the past 15 years, so before On Samui seven years, seven and a half years, something like that. So I was like 27, pretty young, when I left my country and, yeah, I wasn't even sure that I can make it, you know what I mean. And then, after seven years, seven and a half years, something like that, I moved to Pattaya and then it started when everything changed. You know what?
Speaker 2:I mean.
Speaker 3:But, I'm sure we go deeper into that later. We will go deeper.
Speaker 1:And I personally heard your story many times how you came to form Samui and all the stuff you had there, which was not very easy.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 1:And you learned by your own mistakes.
Speaker 3:Yes, a few times, yeah, that's for sure.
Speaker 2:So I just want to know, like, what's the reason you move to say scott somewhere, yeah, yeah yeah, the.
Speaker 3:The reason was actually because if you live seven and a half years on a beautiful island, like somewhere but every beauty place can actually be get kind of boring, you know. So you see every viewpoint, you see every single rock on the island, but after that, um, I don't know, the excitement was not there anymore and I was traveling, uh, before a couple of times, um, to pattaya. And you cannot really compete samui with pattaya. Pattaya is just like another craziness. You know what I mean. Samui is something for chill, especially when you be a couple or something, but when you end up at the end on Samui, you end up as a single. So everybody knows your story, everybody knows your past because the island is so small, right? So? And then I saw like, okay, so here my story might be over and let's open a new chapter in pattaya. But I was overestimating the, the chances here. I thought, oh, pattaya is so big compared to samui, right? So I thought, oh, it will take so long that the people recognize me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:So I thought it will take years, yeah but actually it takes like maybe three or four months and then the people realize hey, this dude is not on holiday, this dude living here, and then then you get your reputation, you know good or bad? Yeah, good or bad.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean, yeah, so so you do it by yourself, yeah but in my opinion, if we compare for a second pathaya, in some ways it is much more family-friendly yeah, especially it's.
Speaker 3:It's developed that way. So when I started living there, we had the tsunami just recently in phuket. So all the people from not all, but many people from phuket, because there was everything destroyed, right, so they, they went to samui, because before it was more like a secret island, knowing from backpackers. So, and then all the lady, lady bars and all the women's, everything was like explode on that time.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean more clubs was open, more bars was open yeah more hotels, bungalows was open and that was the prime time actually from samui and the people from samui thought, oh, it would be not now all the time like that, because they love the island and they think everybody will love and falling in love with samui more than phuket. So but what they're not realized that the people are when phuket was like when they're building up everything back to normal, so most of the people went back to phuket was like when they're building up everything back to normal, so most of the people went back to phuket, so yeah, and then a lot of buildings and bars and everything just go like for broke because it was not the amount of tourists anymore.
Speaker 2:In some way no, it's not that big, because uh is this is I can't. I can can say this is the first I know about how it's going on, because I'm a Thai people but I've never been in Gossamoon. I can't say oh, it's so beautiful but yeah, if I get a change, I want to be in Gossamoon.
Speaker 3:You have to go for it because even when I left, it was like one smiling side, you know, and one one crying eye, because I had such, uh yeah, my first memories for actually living in in thailand, everything started with samui. My first holiday in thailand, everything was on samui, you know. So half of my heart is still there. I have good friends still still there and um yeah, but, but life goes, uh, goes on, you know what I mean. So you always have to, sometimes you, you have to close a chapter to to open a new one, otherwise you cannot develop, your, develop yourself, you know yeah, and as I know, as you told me before the first chapter was, you actually opened a bengal and a restaurant yeah, it first.
Speaker 3:It first started with the, with the restaurant, because my budget was not much. So I actually had a budget from ten thousand dollars, so it wasn't. It wasn't much what I actually won in the online poker tournament uh, back the days in Germany, because I wasn't able for my salary back then to save any money. But I not won the tournament, I just get second. But the buy-in was like ten dollars and then you have to pay, play like 12 hours, you know. So I play all night after work was like crazy, from 8 pm and until 8 am in the morning. But then I actually called my dad and I said okay, I'm ready, we can leave germany. And he say how? You still have no money. And I say, now I have money. And then he said like what, yeah?
Speaker 1:and then I said like yeah, yeah, yeah but he did.
Speaker 3:I deserved the first place. This guy was lucky. You know what I mean but, I, I still take the 10 grand, you know yeah, especially at the end, at the heads up.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. Yeah, I, I still take the 10 grand, you know it was good yeah, yeah, especially at the end, at the heads up.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean. Yeah, but with 10 000, I thought that's the world. I thought it's so much money, especially in thailand and then I yeah, I was 26, 27, you know.
Speaker 3:And then I figure it out like, oh my god, for lamai, this area. So the busiest area on Samui is like called Shawang and we was living always on Lamai and Lamai was like the second busiest place and I thought like, okay, so you not go for Shawang, so you go for Lamai. And I thought like everything would be affordable because I thought 10 000 US dollars so much. And then I figured it out with the key money. Even it's not like legal, but everyone wants the key money. Same like here in Pattaya if you take over a bigger business and everything starts like from a million or whatever. I saw like guys.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, a million baht.
Speaker 3:Of course I say like guys, you are crazy or what so. And then I figure it out. Okay, so eight months I was searching In Lamai in that area, and there was no opportunity. So and then I moved like to a way more outside area called Minam, yeah, and it was like the only place that was affordable. That was offer from another German guy and he built around his bungalow a restaurant, yeah, but the cool thing was the rent was really low. So it was like 8,000 baht, but you have a place to sleep and you have the business around, so you just have to make somehow 8,000 baht to pay the rent and everything is in your pocket for living, right? So I thought like, okay, even this place is not like busy as hell, but somehow you can figure it out. So that's what I actually pay, my 10k on it, on this, and I cannot even cook, so, yeah, but this was yeah
Speaker 2:but, yeah, but this was like the only opportunity that I had for that money.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean? Yeah, but then I had good friends. Uh, one of my friend is thai and he was working in theara it's like four or five star hotel, but he always had problems because he was the same age as me, like young, and wanted to enjoy life and whatsoever, and he quit the job in the four or five star Sentara I don't know how many stars I have right Just to come and work with me and then we were working together, you know, working together. He was the chef and, yeah, it was. It was an adventure, but somehow we make it work. Yeah, for for about two years or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, two years, yeah, two years Long time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so I even learned then a little bit to cook, but of course he was the one who cooked the Thai food and everything, as you can.
Speaker 2:Of course, he was the one who cooked the thai food and everything.
Speaker 3:As you can imagine, I was the one who talked to the people and talk as much as possible, because if we have more orders, we had just him in the kitchen, you know if we have more people. It takes a while. So and I delayed it, yeah, and I tried to talk with him a lot. You know that it's not so obvious that we are struggling in the kitchen, right? Yeah, it was chaotic sometimes, but it was still like, yeah, we still make it work. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's good to try to do like. Is this like you cooking before to?
Speaker 3:have a restaurant. No, no, no. I never cooked before, so the only thing what uh was able to do is like put the pizza in the oven or something, so you cannot really call it cooking right. So I just, um, yeah, learn a little bit on the run, but he was the one who, who, uh, actually have the part in the kitchen and I know and I was figuring out, okay, how you make cocktails and stuff like this.
Speaker 3:so because it also sells good, it's good money. So then I get all the receipts from the internet and then I teach myself, okay, how, with the ingredients you have in Thailand from 7-Eleven. You know what I mean. So you need to, yes, and then you can see how you can do it with the things that Thailand gives you right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, because some of your ingredients inside not half.
Speaker 3:yeah, so that's why you need to do that a little bit like in the freestyle way so you make like every cocktail in a thai way you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:it tastes similar.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, the people love it yeah, it was good, it makes you drunk.
Speaker 1:It was okay, the people was happy, that's what they want but yeah, it's an interesting adventure which eventually led you to something even more interesting, in my opinion oh, you're talking about the resort. No, oh, all the way all the way after the big jump because the resort is interesting, but you didn't do that alone, yeah the interesting part come actually when I started to actually completely move over to the time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so I still did a couple of online things like call agent, you know, but I never did like the cold calls that you sell something. So always I tried to work for companies. Well, like the people want you, you sell something. So always I try to work for companies yeah, well, like the people want you yeah, where the people actually want or expect the call. You know what I mean. Because nobody yeah, because nobody liked the cold leads. You know you're annoying people to sell something. There was never something that would make me happy on the long run, so I yeah, the chances, by the way, are really low, like good salesmen skin instead maybe five percent of the old call.
Speaker 3:Yes, you get so many negative feedback first before you make it, you know, and can really suck your mood down. So that's why I never want to do something like that. Yeah, then I actually was out same like I did on some ways. So I went out here in the club, I was dancing, do my shit, and then I I actually met a guy when I go back to the bar and he had like a hard german accent when he spoke english to me and then I figured out to me you're german, right? And then, oh, you're german as well. So I say yeah, yeah, but he was.
Speaker 3:He was he's younger than me, but the way he impressed me was like um, he actually was so open. You know, he opened um really after I met him, uh, the second time. So he, he told me already what he actually did and and the thing what he did was like he was like a cam model. Yeah, yeah, so, but he basically said to me okay, bro, I'm not gay, but most of the my viewers are actually guys, so and I say, okay, okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 1:He's a solo yeah, yeah, solo, yeah, solo.
Speaker 3:So you just sit there and jerk off yeah, I think you have to do a lot of things.
Speaker 1:You guys can imagine that, but we don't want to dig deeper, yeah, but I mean I, I never saw it, but he actually told me like in a nutshell, what, what he do.
Speaker 3:And then I say okay, okay. And then he said to me, yeah, but you are good looking, you actually could do the same. And I was thinking like, okay, guy, first of all you are way more younger than me and he's like, of course I train, but he's like more like trained than me oh, he was more. Yeah, yeah yeah, even now.
Speaker 3:So it's yeah, yeah, still so yeah, but he could literally go on stage and would be basically with the last five or six in the class, um on stage. Okay, because he's always like ripped, always have the six pack and and always just like um in a in a in a in a, really yes, in a in a really great shape.
Speaker 3:So that's why, I compare myself to him and I saw like bro you sure? And then he said why you're not giving it a try? You have nothing to lose. And then somehow he came over, he set it up with me on the laptop, so, and then of course he left because I want to do it alone, right?
Speaker 3:so and then, uh, yeah, yeah, but not with the guy, so it's it's not that interesting for me then, right? So anyway, I I logged in and I saw he was like because, yeah, it was like chat a bit and uh, flirt flirt chat or something like that.
Speaker 3:I not remember the set, the, the second one, and then was live. Jasmine was also there, so it was like three websites, but the best one was like actually like chat a bit. That was the one that was working later. So because first I was sitting there and then you check out and because he do it for so many years, so you build like a fan base, that makes sense, right. So I was sitting there you have everywhere yeah.
Speaker 3:So, and basically I was sitting there and in this underwear they call it like jocks, you know, you have this. It's like almost like a string tongue, but your ass is open, right, yeah, yeah. So it was also new for me. So when he, when he told me like I need to buy this before, I said, like what the fuck is it? So I have to Google it and searched for it. And then I figured out, ah, okay, this is how it looks like. I said, okay, makes sense that your ace is not covered, all right, all right. So. And then I was checking out how it works. So I saw him at the, at the front pages, right?
Speaker 3:so if you have like maybe 50 pages where you can switch and you see all the models, and every page had maybe like 30, 40 models right so and when I start I was at the last pages, so you can imagine I was sitting there three, four hours and I had maybe five to ten people coming and they just come and go.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, then you come then, then you come, uh, more, more, uh at the front pages yes, how many followers you have just going to you yes, but if you be there for a while, so you have the followers and you can give them an alert that you are online, so then you get more viewers and then you get. That's why I say, if you, if you create a fan base, you will be immediately when you'll be online. Just say, you have 2 000 people. From 2 000 people, maybe 100 shows up, so you're already on the first five pages, so, and then you grow from there. Just how long you uh be online.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean, but anyway.
Speaker 3:I had no fans, I had nothing and uh, I ended up at the last pages and then I was working four or five hours. What means working? You know, I was cheap, chatting with the few people that enter my room and you only make money when they give you tip or when they take you private. So at the end of the day I was working four or five hours and I get maybe 200 300 baht and I said like yeah, and I said like what the you?
Speaker 2:know this is too long. This is how long again?
Speaker 1:four or five hours four or five hours for 300 bucks this is this is really bad it's really bad, don't forget that people can record the screen yeah, so everyone can see you and can see your pictures yeah you use your privacy immediately yeah that.
Speaker 3:I mean I was aware about that, but I also thought like, okay, it would, might work. I know it would be a struggle at the beginning, but it was like a waste of time.
Speaker 3:So, and then COVID hit us, so everything was closed and I had a lot of friends, especially lady boyfriends, and I know they was calling me and say, oh, michelle, can you help me with 500 baht or what. So everyone was struggling. So, and then 500 baht or what. So everyone was struggling. So then I thought like so I was searching the page again and then I thought it's all like, oh, okay, when couple doing that, there are not so many couples out there. So I said like, okay, this is, this is a way, how to crack the system. You know what I mean. So if you not do it as single, even you're popular or not if you do it as a couple, then you would be at the first three, four pages and you go from there exactly, you not have so many competitors, right?
Speaker 3:so I saw like, okay, that makes sense. So what I did? So I invited the first lady boy on my sofa and I say, okay, let's go, baby, put her in sexy lingerie and we make the deal. Okay, we share everything 50 50.
Speaker 3:So I I explain her how it works, with the tokens, with the exchange, whatsoever, and then, um, she, would speak english um, yeah, some could the first one, the first one yes she was funny, she was really funny and I know she was outgoing, so I know like, okay, this is to to choose her at the first to see how it works. I thought like this was be the best choice. So, anyway, and we was rocking it, so it was immediately like after third page, second page first, and then we have the most viewers. So we ended up with 1,000 people was watching us, and this is quite high number for that.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean, yeah.
Speaker 3:And then we make like quite good money. So we was working three, four hours and everybody get like 3,000 to 5,000 baht each. So this was like almost like every hour you get 1,000 each. You know what I mean? This is something you can work with you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:So I saw like, okay, that have potential. And I saw some people already start to following me so I saw like, oh, okay, you can really fast grow a fan base there. What the people not expect was that I actually live in thailand and that I know so many people, that I actually live in pattaya, yeah, and there are so many ladyboys and there's not so many ladyboys, so here's the poor ladyboy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so the next day on my sofa another ladyboy show up and usually only couple doing that. You know what I mean. So everybody like what the. You know yeah, yeah so, and this was like more or less than how long I did it, it was like a running gag. So the people just follow me like crazy yeah, and I really want to know who the is now on michelle's sofa you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah. And then everybody how?
Speaker 3:we do that. You know what I mean, yeah, how we do that, but especially because we had covet, it was the perfect circumstances because everybody was struggling about money. You know, it was so hard to get money, so even for myself. And then somehow, um, the, the, the webcam stuff gets so popular that, um, yeah, that the production company was contacting me and they asked me are we looking for a western guy who actually do porn with ladyboys?
Speaker 3:they saw you first on channel because it gets so popular and a lot of people was talking about it in that scene and they were struggling to find people who have like a western looking, yes, or european looking, and, and I was struggling to find people who have like a Western looking, yes, a European looking, and um doing that.
Speaker 3:And then they asked me would you consider maybe to try it? And then I thought like okay, so I show my ass in front of a thousand people. Of course, if you go private and you do like the act, yeah, you actually have sex. So you have only the one who take you private yeah, they can.
Speaker 3:Another one can buy cheaper price, but he's not the director so you only can watch, but makes maximum. You have two, three people where you have front of sex but you actually have sex on your sofa and you just have it in front of the cam, but you not see anyone so it's like different right, no camera. But of course you expose yourself. You're not living in an illusion, like okay, this are not happening.
Speaker 1:You see the numbers when I did shadowbait it was way before it was 2011 or 12 and everyone used masks. Back then it was very popular for the people to use masks on Chateau Ben.
Speaker 3:When there'd be a couple, or also like singles, some singles Okay, but I don't believe that if you still have people who do it without the people with without would be always more successful.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm just saying, don't forget, there is like a difference of eight years between those. Yeah, yeah, sure, sure, some stuff change, yeah it's always changing.
Speaker 3:It's always changing. Some stuff change. Yeah, it's always changing, it's always changing anyway. So then they was asking me about, like um, could you, would you consider to doing it? And of course I take a little time to to think about it because I was aware about that like, if I expose myself, so even it's like a one time thing, if you be one time out there, you'll be out there forever. Yeah, you know so, I even know it from the camming, but I never show sex in front of the camming, so it's a different thing. So, even okay, then maybe they, they would be able to record the private show, but it's, it's still not like you not get so exposed, same, same, you're doing it, like you know, in a, in a real pawn. Anyway, I, I was considered and the money, what they offered me, was really low, um, but I actually did it and um, I, I, I go for it because I thought, like the way they explained it to me is like they, they need a guy on the long run.
Speaker 3:So for for the model, for the lady boy, it's like, okay, we use you for a job, yeah, and then maybe in two or three months, if your video is popular, we use you again. But if they don't have a european looking guy, so all the time when they come with a new model and they do it like every two week or whatever, so you have a new job. So that that's why I thought, like okay, that could be something that could be developing something bigger yeah, you know, of course.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I would, I would, I would to know, like um, when you have like ladyboy models who are shooting with you, is it is this um from them contact you to help with sometime, or your your find them through?
Speaker 3:me.
Speaker 3:So, basically, when I start with the production company, they arranged everything because, I was not in the driver's seat, so I was actually also like a model that get booked right. And they told me just like in advance. They send me pictures and say like, oh, this is the model, because some of the models I already knew, yeah, so, and then I say like, oh, okay, okay and um, at the beginning, um, I was really shy. I was not shy like being there, but I was shy like I say to them like, do you need a guy who do like top and bottom? So fuck and get fucked, yeah. Or they say, oh, basically we're looking for someone who gets fucked. And I say like, okay, that's the easiest part. So, because even your cock is hard or not hard, so if you just need to like, you know, give them your ass, yeah.
Speaker 3:So yes so because you're nervous, you know what I mean. We just say it before we're starting this podcast. All the people here have a cock. Because you're nervous, you know what I mean. We just say it before we starting this podcast.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you are not the stargazer yeah, I have also.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, I understand, no, but we even say it before the podcast start. Right, Be exciting. So of course when you do it you have to understand. So there are two, three lightnings. You have the camera operator actually not move, so you have to show them the angle. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:So and you have sex in weird positions which looks great in front of the camera, but it's totally unnaturally and you would never do it you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:so yes, and this and everything, have like a plan how to do it, and usually you not have sex with a plan. You go with your passion, you go with your emotions. You know what I mean and you go with the flow.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:You figure it out on the way, but you not really have a plan. But there's okay, we do like this. Okay, now I'll stop. I need to change the pictures, so, and everything needs to be still stable. That is natural, no, and I saw like when I saw it the first time, I saw like, okay, you will never get like hard with this. You know, even you take kamago, but even you take like any pill or whatever. You know what I mean your head taking over.
Speaker 2:You cannot relax so that's what I'm thinking yes, you're just thinking, you stress yourself.
Speaker 3:So that's why I was really, really glad to know that they're not need me as a top, so bottom would be fine, so, and I went for it, you know so. And then I basically had another offer from a different. It was like also like a production company, but in a way more smaller way, so it was only one guy, and this guy was from Russia, he was not even here and he let me manage everything, so he provided the money and he paid me and I was exactly so.
Speaker 3:So I was making like I checked the location out. Then I find a camera operator.
Speaker 3:We even changed them um the equipment okay so we use better, better cameras, and and how longer this journey together lasts, how, how more we we actually updated the, the set up. Yeah, yeah, upgraded the setup. So yeah, basically, I always was on the hunt to find the models you know, and then, uh, of course, I had the nice locations and to have a camera operator, because now, over I doing it like almost five years, four and a half years, something like that specific with with the Russian guy, and we have to change, like the camera operators, a lot, because there was always like an incident oh, now I have a boyfriend, my boyfriend is jealous, you know even the guy saw her first on the porn movie with me, you know, and and then when they start to be together he start to be super jealous and I just say like all the time, oh you building, because they also get paid, you know, and every week we were shooting.
Speaker 1:I want to understand normally your camera operator are ladies or ladyboys no, also ladyboys, because we always have camera two and three.
Speaker 3:So we, we have two other cameras in the background, yeah, but on a stand and um, we, we had like different choices. So later we, um, we sell and also the making of movie, and then you, that's why we also dress the camera girl in a in a sexy disuse, sexy lingerie, because um some posts that she need to make to to reach further to the action.
Speaker 3:You know she pop up her ass, so you, you see her boobs or whatever. So it's always sexy to see how, how actually she moving around it then you see all the lightning and for the people is always like exciting to not only see the end product.
Speaker 3:People are also curious yes like curious how you do it. You know what I mean even tiktok people. They do like the tiktok from the main camera and then they make the making of and still, most of the time the making of get more views than actually a video, because the people are curious how you're doing it.
Speaker 1:Because they feel it's more personal. Yes, I can see how everything works. Yeah, you're not cut.
Speaker 3:So, they're basically here when you cut and they see how the scene continues. So how you do it after, how you explain what to do before, and we do a photo shooting before. So they see the photo shooting and in the photo shooting at the end the girl needs to have a hard dick. So I suck her, but you basically will not see it on the main camera, but behind the scenes when we cut everything together. So you see it and then she posts with the dick and everything so so.
Speaker 2:So normally, how long to take how? How many hours to take one video?
Speaker 3:It depends. So it's like if you make a threesome it takes about three hours, three and a half hours, because we need like two girls with the photo shoot and we change the dress, like the lingerie, twice, and so we make the first scene. So first we put them in the first lingerie outfit, right, we make the pictures. Both of them need cock hard. Then we explain the scene, what we want to do in the first part. First part is done, so it's already like an hour or something passed away, and then we change the outfit and we we push on repeat, so we we repeat everything again, right, so we make the picture, cock hard, and then the last scene with the cum shot. I see, yeah, and when we do one-on-one, so it's basically like most of the time it's two hours. Yeah, it can be a little bit longer because some of the lady boys, they have the issue because the environment, as I explained, is not normal, and then they have maybe problem to come, so and it can take a little longer, and then of course we need to cut it together that looks like from like, from like through, uncomfortable, through like, uh, yeah, yeah yeah, think about it like that yeah, you see
Speaker 2:the jay king yeah, and then you just take the last.
Speaker 3:Let's say one minute, yes, yes so and we stay in position, yeah, so that we can cut it together, so that it does not look like that. She actually struggled Because as a viewer, of course, if you see the making of video, I keep it a little bit longer, but I also not when she needs like 30 minutes to do it. I not give them 30 minutes. You know what I mean. It makes no sense Because you still want to keep the excitement alive. You know what I mean, yeah, and what you still want to keep the excitement alive. You know what I mean, yeah, and what I can say, like I started as a, as a bottom, and then after three months, when I actually start planning everything myself. So it was different, because I had a camera operator. I want her to move before when I do it with the production, she stand with the camera, she put it in an angle and we need to be in a weird angle yeah, and I
Speaker 3:thought, okay, that's weird, yeah, and the videos also was really short. And, um, I say, okay, when we do it, we do it differently. So we have the moving camera, so I want that she are able to move and we have the two standing cameras for behind on the scene so that we can make the making of video and whatsoever. Right, yeah, yeah, and how more confident, how longer I I made it, how more confident I I was in the environment. And then, um, there was, like after almost three months, models say to me yeah, I'm top and everything.
Speaker 3:So I, I was like always like I need to plan it right because some of the lady was the only button so, and then somehow she was so overwhelmed from everything and I said okay, relax, and but her cock not working, oh yeah even if she do come out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, but but she was like you know, and I mindset was not there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but I could feel her because this is exactly in the shoes that I was all the time before. But I was looking down then and my cock was like rock hard and I said like hey brother, there you go, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:This is how I know you because he get used to it.
Speaker 3:You know, for him was the normal, so and then I saw like okay, no problem, then you are bottom. She look at me. Okay, she was happy that we do it. You know what? I mean so and my camera operator look at me surprises yeah, look at me girl.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah yeah, and then it was actually the first video that I beat a pure top and when I passed that one, so then my mind just switched and from from that moment on I know, okay, now I'm back to normal, so and I can do both. So now most of the time I try to make it make like top and bottom, so we make like both of the content, but if the cock from her not work, then of course, then I'm pure top.
Speaker 1:So if you have only bottom, lady boy, you are just going top.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but I know the most popular thing is if we switch it, so we give them, we give the audience, like both top and bottom, yeah, or the best. The most popular scenario is like if the lady boy is really dominant, so I'm just bottom, and if she are able to speak well english, then it's like did she not even have?
Speaker 3:to yes, of course, you know what I mean so a little, so like a little bit role play. You know, if we do it like she's the mistress, I'm the slave, how more she is like in the role, like I'm controlling you, how more excited is it for the viewers. So this is, are the the videos? They go like super viral. And I make the best experience with the ladyboys who actually from the philippines because, as you know, the filipinos, they can speak english is.
Speaker 3:This is the second language right exactly yeah, so that's why, and they know how to do it you know, I had like one movie with amadora and she was before or she still is a really popular cam model on life. Yes, mean and of course she is like an escort, but she never did porn so she only did it with me. But we did now three or four videos because she's so popular On the time frame about the last three years or something.
Speaker 1:She comes here or you go there.
Speaker 3:No, she's in Bangkok. And then I always say like, okay, take the taxi, we booked a hotel and then you get paid. She's in Bangkok. And then I always say like, okay, take the taxi, we book the hotel and then you get paid, and of course also for the transfer and everything, so the whole package.
Speaker 2:so we actually take care of it and then it's an easy thing so how you think about when people say if a man has a date with a ladyboy and had a date with a ladyboy and they say he's a gay. So how do you think about it?
Speaker 3:I think, like if guys who really are into ladyboys, if they would be gay, you know we're not dating someone who looks like a woman, so it makes no sense. So I'm not attracted to men, so I'm attracted to women and I'm attracted to ladyboys Because in most of the cases the ladyboys are even hotter, because they make so much surgery you know what I mean than the real woman.
Speaker 3:They have attention to be yes, and especially if you figure out, if you're not shy and if you're not let the society taking over your free mind, your spirit.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean, yeah, I guess no yeah, and if you are open enough to experience with your, with your, with yourself, with your own body, and you figure it out that you actually, as a man, like to have something in the ass because we have a g-spot in the ass, so the woman, the woman, have it in the pussy, but the mans are so afraid to just figure their own body out because the society say immediately oh, if you put something in your ass, you gay, yeah it's.
Speaker 3:It's strange, but our society say it like this yeah and I put so much pressure on the people but I just say fuck it, because I figure it out, like, oh, it feels amazing. Yeah, even the orgasm is like on a different level. So, and um, yeah, then I made the first experience with the, with ladyboys, back then on samoy because, of course, at the, at the beginning I was like really struggling and I was shy when I saw the first ladyboy in my life in the front of a cabaret show. She was so beautiful and I said like oh, my god, wow, you're the most beautiful girl I ever thought uh, saw in my life. And then I was like shy talking to her, you know, and I went to the cabaret show and after the cabaret show, so she put my you know labels they're always open, you know she put my hand between between her legs and say, like the most ladyboy, open, yeah, yeah and and let me touch her balls, her.
Speaker 3:I was thinking like, oh my god. So I was like in shock, I more or less run away so and then I need to process what's happened, you know. So I go back in in my bungalow and process and I say like, oh my.
Speaker 1:God, you went there to jerk off, come on.
Speaker 3:Yeah, why not, of course, in the night later on?
Speaker 1:Yeah, when the shock was gone.
Speaker 3:Of course it excites me and everything, but I ask myself because?
Speaker 3:I have so much pressure from the society. Oh, my God, michelle, what's going on with you? Are you gay or what? So I need to figure out for myself first what's going on, and I need also, like um, some years to have the confident to actually be in public with uh, with the lady boy. And that's why I always say to the lady boys give the guys some credit, because you need to understand you. Somehow, on the way when you grow up, you figure it out like, oh, I don't want to be a man, I feel more like a woman and you, and, and your journey starts, yeah. So the journey from a guy who is attractive to a ladyboy starts not that early. It starts with the first experience. You know what I mean and in europe, I'm from germany when I say I never saw ladyboys there, they would look like me in lingerie. Would I look like a lady boy? No, you know what I mean pretty masculine and ugly.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean nobody was thinking I'm a hot lady boy, yeah. So my first experience start basically on my first holiday when I was 25. So and then I need like two, three years to figure it out how I can deal with it. So first I do it secretly because if you're so young you not feel so confident with yourself. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:And you get the pressure. You said that the society mostly dictate how you need to think about yourself, how you need to act and it's a problem and also your friends, so all my friends around there on some way.
Speaker 3:Nobody was into ladyboys, so I was. I was with that, like basically with this kind of feeling, basically um, by myself, so I need to figure it out. That's why I was shy in front of my friends, so like to really show them what, what are my desires. You know what I mean. Of course I like women.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm into women, but I also like ladyboys. I'm into ladyboys, yeah, so, and that's actually what I find out on the go how to deal with it, you know, because what most of the people not realize. So everybody like chasing the money. You know what I mean. They think like the highest value in life is to be rich and get the money. But the the highest value in life is time, and if you only live to please the people around you the society.
Speaker 3:You will regret it and I regret the the two, three years that I was struggling and I say I want to change it, I want to change it. And then I say, okay, if the people have a problem with it, if my friends have a problem with it, then they are not real friends and then we go separate ways. Yeah, and since that I keep my inner circle really small, because you also get like um, I don't know from, from the people around you. You know what I mean. They put you, even without you realizing it. They put you in different paths, in different directions.
Speaker 3:They judge you, yeah, in a good way or bad way, just think about the situation I explained to you when I met the guy who was the model at the camp show. If I would not meet him, I would never sit here and would go this way. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Right, right, I would never sit here and would go this way.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean and he's still one of my best friends Because I know everything that builds up from that moment that we met. You know what I mean has something to do with him. If I would not leave Samui back then I would never meet him, I would never go this direction, Of course. Yeah, but this is how life goes.
Speaker 1:If you open yourself up for more, more opportunities will come in your way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know, I'm proud, but I'm just I, just I'm very proud of you, about your stand, by your open yeah, I'm actually now be also like proud that I deal with it so openly.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean, especially. Come on now.
Speaker 2:I'm old, I'm 40, so it's like you know, you look like you you have to do it.
Speaker 1:You look very good for 40, okay, thank you. Thank you, I will invite you for a drink later I hold it to you, okay, okay, and I have another question. So you said before you are attracted to ladyboys and ladies, yeah, In your movies you are doing also. Sometimes you bring ladies over.
Speaker 3:Because everything started with, like, the ladyboys and then how I explain it to you guys. So I did it then only with ladyboys, and the reason why is simple how long are you doing it? You have this specific fan base and my specific fan want to see lady. Yes, so if I give them a woman, even she's smoking hot, they would say okay, you, sir, but make a threesome and show us a lady boy.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Three sons with ladies no, this is what I want to do in the future, but it's really hard to find a woman who is actually open-minded enough to doing it. Even we have so many models, so many girls, women, who, who working in the same industry, but to do that, even it would be on her end a really popular content. Um, it's, it's really hard to to make it happen. I know for some ladyboys.
Speaker 1:And also for the ladyboys yes, Some ladyboys will not fuck women.
Speaker 3:No, no. Also, when I make a threesome with two ladyboys, it's not always the time that the ladyboy interact with each other so many times it's also like that they only interact with me, so I'm then in the middle of the attention. I mean it's awesome. But many people also like when the, when the ladyboys do something together, but then I always respect the boundaries. I ask what is possible it's very hard.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because I because ladyboys want a guy yeah, right, like man, like I said before, yeah so, and ladyboys is a different thing.
Speaker 3:So, but you always find some ladyboys. They are not into it but they're open. They say I do it, I do it for the, for the movie. You know, I can do it with a friend. We do like many times threesome, so it's always possible to doing it. So this is not so outlandish to to make this kind of content. So I have it. I make it a lot of times, but never so far with the woman. But it's still on my bucket list on top because I know it would be super popular because it's not so many videos out there that the woman is involved in in this kind of tree sunlight yeah, I understand would you do something like that?
Speaker 2:I'm not in movies, I mean yeah, if you say now yes, you are already I can say I have some with lady friend, but I did not have with her. I did not have to say with her, just like she was yeah, with other guy than me, so we attractive with guy doesn't like we. We together have fun together, but not have have sex together okay just you know, I mean like attractive to the man.
Speaker 3:So you guys were both playing with the guy at the same time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right and with other ladyboys.
Speaker 1:It's a no-go for you.
Speaker 2:Probably this is not not easy to happen, right? Because ladyboy she was too with a guy. Anyway, if it happens to have treason, it's not being like have to have sex, but maybe oral yeah, that is happening? Uh happen more than have sex together for treason with two lady boy, one guy like that yeah, I mean oral.
Speaker 3:They still can close the eyes and can imagine it's a dick from a guy, right?
Speaker 2:so you guys could do that. Yeah, make yours.
Speaker 1:May you have sweet dreams yeah, and now I know that you're on a certain platform. I don't know if you want to mention which platform you are on, but I know that this is one of the most popular platforms on earth right now for this kind of content.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's really popular. But I mean I've been on almost every other porn website but, and for years, right, so I'm only fans to call the baby by the name is basically the one that I start to be the latest. So I've been there only for one and a half years or something. And the other platforms? I'm almost there for four and a half, almost five years, but none of them even. I have like almost 200 videos uploaded there over the time. None of them pay just close to what's what's going on on OnlyFans.
Speaker 1:Okay it's crazy, your main income is from OnlyFans.
Speaker 3:Yes, it's like of course I could pay, like, all my expenses from the other platforms, but I could not live, um, such a lavish life, yes, such like a hilti lifestyle, if, if only fans would not be in the picture. It's really crazy, but it's not. This is what I say to my, to my models, because they know that I pay them. They see how I live or when we be in a hotel or whatever. They see that they can imagine maybe. And then they say, oh yeah, can you help me to set up OnlyFans or something like this? So first of all, I think, like okay, in the century we're living, so you can get all the information from OnlyFans. Nobody show me how to do it, I teach myself everything on the go.
Speaker 2:You know what I?
Speaker 3:mean. So if you really want to do it, you can educate yourself online. Yeah, but I I have no problem with that, that. I help you to set it up, but the, the imagination, what the models have is like. Once I set it up, the money comes from alone.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:But you really really do, Now I can say I'm successful.
Speaker 3:Yes, but the people don't know. So I'm working basically every day for it, like three, four hours, and I'm not counting then the hours that I'm actually be on some dating platforms to find the new model. And if I'm talking to 10 models, just say it, maybe three will be okay with it. Not every ladyboy say yo, I go for it. Many ladyboys have concern about the family, see it or whatever, and even they're in the industry of oh, I'm freelancing, so you know I make the money with in the sex industry.
Speaker 3:But there I have a concerns, and the it's our concerns that I can 100 understand. Even I need them as a model, but I understand their thoughts and what they worry about, especially for them if they're not set up, only friends and they just do it. It's basically what I explained you at the beginning. So me, as a male actor, I'm more busy because the main focus from the, from the viewer perspective, are the models. So the models if the models change all the time, how it is in my case, it's perfect. They don't care about me, they're not really a fan about me. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:I'm like, I'm like yeah, I'm okay, you know, they're okay, I'm there. They imagine that there would be on my, on my place, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:They're looking for a new yes, but it's yeah new faces. So basically, when?
Speaker 3:she agrees to do it, her video will stand in the internet forever. So if she's not doing something with it, so she's not planning her future to doing it, then of course it's a high risk. Even I pay them. Good, but it's still a high risk for this one-time payment. Of course, if the video is popular, as I say I explained before, amadora the filipino girl, um, she's so popular so we make four videos in about three years, something like this. But of course it's like you know, it's like a payday every six months or something. You know what I mean. It's also not something steady income yes yeah.
Speaker 3:So that's why I always understand when they um, when they don't want to do it, and I'm never angry, because so many times I realized, um, that they, that they contact me like a year later and ask me, oh, because I don't know, maybe they have money problem, maybe the the mindset up changed, just it can. Many things can happen in life that change your mind. I had many girls that I was talking with but we keep in touch on social media or something, and then out of nowhere they're coming and texting me and then we make it, and then, of course, I'm happy, you know what I mean, because you get new faces.
Speaker 2:Yes, of course.
Speaker 3:Then I don't need to search for the for the upcoming movie yeah, you know but I I basically shoot the movie like every week, so you can imagine how uh stressful this sometimes could be to uh always find every week a new face yeah, without mentioning names.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which is like if you can say what, what of your? Which one of your models shot the most videos with you? How many videos were that?
Speaker 3:amadora is on top before. Um then, okay, you don't want to mention names. No, I think like four or five videos is like in a in a time frame between two or three years, something like that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so you're really changing faces all the time yeah, so I'm happy to use them again, like for threesomes. Then I had I model. I had one model. She was like she was. She can change by wearing different kind of weeks, like changing the hair color, and she always looked like a different person like a new style every week, so I had her on Instagram so and we was, we shot the first movie.
Speaker 3:She had like black, like really long hair, and then I saw her on the birthday party and she had blonde hair and I was like yes, and I saw that, and I saw this group picture and I contacted her and from there was 20 ladyboys on this group picture and I contacted her and I say could you give me the contact details from the girl? It was a little bit far because it was a group picture.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you need to bring all the people, so it was a little bit far.
Speaker 3:But I was a group picture. Yeah, you need to bring all the people, so it was a little bit far. But I say can you give me the contact details from the blonde lady boy, because I would like to shoot with her? And then she say are you joking, michelle? I say why? She say that's me. I say no way. Yeah, yeah, I say okay okay, then I say let's next time, because you look totally different. Yeah, didn't you?
Speaker 3:can be like new face, yeah, new face. And everybody was like wow, yeah, I even named her differently really yes and the people go for it yeah, so I give her a completely different thinking yeah, I give her because I was like not, and then the movie was like maybe like four months or something between you know what I mean. Of course it's still in the library, yeah, but you could hard compare so you not have any tattoos. You know, it's really hard to compare like oh, it's because you look so different.
Speaker 1:Well, we can a little bit different break up.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it will be exactly so I make like a few different hairs with her, so she had black she had like red, she had blonde, and then we put her on two threesomes, so that's why she come on the count of five so girl did not stop to be pretty.
Speaker 2:Change your style every week if you can. Every man gonna interest in you because you have the booties and blowing up booty more.
Speaker 1:Yeah, then we love recognize you and just eat on you again, which is also a possibility. Yes, that's so true. I want to ask you something that I always wondered like in your videos, do you go back bareback or condom? Because I want to know about the safety issues, like um, both.
Speaker 3:So I'm be on prep since, um, some way okay, a friend of mine introduced me to it because back then it wasn't so popular as it is right now. So we're talking about back then, like now I live here like five years, so before five years, so seven years ago, something like this. So I be on prep. But of course you can. So it's prevent 99 point whatever percent prevent you to get hiv. But of course you can. So it's prevent 99 point whatever percent prevent you to get HIV.
Speaker 3:But of course you can get other diseases, but, lucky so far, I don't get any other diseases from any diseases. Yeah, from from from that.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, so it's like I'm guessing you're checking yourself regularly yeah, every three months.
Speaker 3:You know there's a clinic, not so far and then you can like, but then I do it like also not the blood, so you also can check the or in so like really make a full checkup but I never have a full checkup from the models. So it's like, of course is's a risk thing. Yeah, a little risk is always involved. So if you do it in the usa, so you always should have like the latest test like from the few days. You know what I mean. This is how you usually those are the four.
Speaker 3:Yeah, this is how you should do it. You know what mean, but because you do it like by yourself and you do it here in Thailand, so it's just like a different thing.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. So you have to pay for it, for taste, or yeah, for the taste and also for the prep.
Speaker 3:But I always have it like stocked, like in advance, like for 12 months, for a year period, but you need to take it like every day.
Speaker 3:But I've been recently to the doctor and it have an effect on your kidney but, they say my kidney is still fine and I take it supplements for the kid yeah, also okay so to anti-toxic the liver and, uh, the kidney, but they say everything is fine. And if you consider that they take it like over seven years so and it's had no side effects, you know, yeah but you, you're a healthy guy, right, you're keeping yourself in shape, you're eating good.
Speaker 3:It's also part of that, yeah sure, this is a the whole package. You know what I mean. But I just can say that it have no side effects and everybody who's not aware about what prep is. So you basically have to take it, like every day at the same time and after seven days you take it, you have the full coverage 99 something percent that you are not be able to get hiv even you have sex intercourse with someone who have it so yeah especially in in the industry as a man, when you a woman, yeah, the percentage is so small that you can get it, but if you be, a man and you get
Speaker 3:that's why so many gay people have it. So the chance to get it is like way higher, yeah, right, so, because, also, for the woman is higher because she yeah, because you insert it, right, yeah, so that's the, that's the thing. So, and when I figured out that I'd be into ladyboys and some stuff like this and like it both ways, so of course, then I was like really happy that my friend introduced me to crap, yeah yeah, yeah, because back then there are a lot of people that say that, because back then.
Speaker 1:It changed their life.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because back then I not hear about it at all. I wasn't even aware that they have just one pill and they can make you superman immune against it. Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1:It's crazy. I know that many people are taking it. I know many, even people that come to vacations in Thailand a week before they start taking it back home and then they just come here.
Speaker 3:I had some fans. They actually asked me the same. They said to me oh, michel, you make so many bareback videos and how you do that? Because they're planning also them to come, and then I just recommend them and then they say, wow, okay, good to know.
Speaker 2:Because many people.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I do also but you tell me where you get it for free, right?
Speaker 2:yeah, what's high people get it for free on a swing clear. Is it for free for Thai people? Taste for free? Hormones taste for free?
Speaker 3:oh wow, and prep test for free also oh, you get the hormone for free as well and this is about, like taste, hormone, hormone tastes this that's the hormone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, taste the hormones.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, yeah, right but and you can do like everything, like a privacy, oh yeah, what depends on? Use yourself. Yeah, if you shake, then you on prep.
Speaker 1:So you can check and if you have a, I say like a negative taste, yeah, yeah, so you can get prep if you if you if you need it for free for Thai people. Yeah, that's cool. It's very good, especially in a city like Pattaya. It's amazing that there is a program like that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but if everybody would take it, so there would not be in 15, 20 years HIV anymore. So it would be yeah, because nobody can get infected.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but sadly and I know we want to be a happy podcast and stuff like that yeah sadly, I know few people that got it in the last three years here. Oh, by the way, ladies, so many people like.
Speaker 3:I don't know the exact numbers, but yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, I think, to make sure you are protected. I think it's still a disease, that it's still around here and, as you say, especially in Pattaya, because it's like the biggest sex city.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is normally a big fuck hole, but it's a nice place this is why we come here, come on yeah yeah, there's one part of it, one big part of it so.
Speaker 2:Patria is mean freedom, is it?
Speaker 1:more than freedom, more than freedom for me, patria, it's not only freedom. I think it's well. I consider it my second home because I have a lot of friends here, okay, and I really like the environment and you can always find something to do, not only the sex part of the city. There are many attractions here, very good restaurants over here yeah very good places just to sit and wind up and relax and it's so much cheaper.
Speaker 3:You know you, you can here afford that. You can go like every day to a restaurant cheaper compared to what you mean yeah, europe, germany, where I come from. So in europe I I could not imagine how I could afford that I can have three meals in a restaurant every day yeah and here's like not a big issue you know if you're not yeah, I want to say, if you're not eat like steak, you know what I mean. But if you like, go for thai food. Yeah, it's so cheap in some places of course you get always.
Speaker 3:You can get it like triple the price or whatever. But still the price is still very cheap. Yeah, it's still cheap mine for 150 baht.
Speaker 1:It's still your thing, wow yeah, it's still like you.
Speaker 3:You really think like, oh, should I really cook by myself? You know, what I mean yeah, like when I make like breakfast or something. But here in my condo is even next to the pool, is even a restaurant and they are so cheap. So they make me even more lazy than I was before since I moved here I liked it.
Speaker 2:I like it, yeah, it's nice yeah yeah, it's a really nice life.
Speaker 3:If you're living in thailand, it's like I don't know. You get used to it so quickly. That's why we call it like Thai fever, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah Thai fever.
Speaker 3:I have it from the first time I came here. That's why I was so glad that I make it somehow happened to live in Samui. Samui was the first place and I had the Thai fever, immediately I come out from the airport and like Thai fever.
Speaker 1:you know you are always trying to convince me to go to samui.
Speaker 3:I have my personal reasons, yes, but you always tell me, one day we will make it happen I will be your tour guide yeah, yeah, I have to go back I need to surprise my friends over there like just come just come unexpected. Yeah, yeah, but I still not give a time frame, right, michel?
Speaker 1:first of all, I want to thank you for doing that. I think, we can do another part sometime, because we have a lot to talk we always have a lot to talk, always when we meet each other.
Speaker 3:That's why I was thinking like, okay, that will be a walk in the park.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much is there something that you want to say to our listeners?
Speaker 3:I don't know. Guys, I hope. I hope you like it. I hope it was interesting for you guys to listen to my story and if you never have been to Thailand, we welcome you to Thailand and hope to see you around, guys great way to end this.
Speaker 2:This is very great today.
Speaker 1:Do you have anything to say?
Speaker 2:Oh well, thank you everyone. Listeners, this podcast is my second time to make it and I made it everyone. I'm so proud of myself and I'm very thank you to Mike and Michel today. You're more than welcome Michelle to make my second episode work and. I promise I gonna work hard more and we gonna have more episode coming soon.
Speaker 3:Looking forward to that.
Speaker 1:Some very good things planned in the near future. Yeah so, guys, thank you for listening and see you next time.
Speaker 2:Bye, bye.