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Pirate Ladyboy Lada Talking About Pronouns

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When New Year's shenanigans don't go according to plan, you know you've got stories worth sharing. Just ask our fabulous guest Lada, who became an accidental 'pirate ladyboy' after a hilarious mishap at a crowded celebration. She regales us with tales of temporary blindness, mistaken kisses, and the unpredictable joy and hazards of holiday gatherings. We didn't just stop at funny anecdotes, though; our discussion took a turn towards the serious as we addressed a YouTube comment correcting our previous misconceptions about hormone replacement therapy and male pattern baldness among trans women. It's a reminder that learning is a continuous journey, and we're here for all of it – the laughter, the missteps, and the truths.

Meanwhile, we're raising glasses to the leaps in LGBTQ rights and the ever-growing understanding that's threading through societies worldwide. From same-sex marriage laws to reproductive rights, the world is slowly, but surely, becoming a more inclusive space. Lada also sheds light on what life is like for a ladyboy in Thailand, from the nuances of societal interactions to the complexities surrounding relationships and identity disclosure. We close the loop with a raw look at the real-world implications of discriminatory policies on identification documents for the trans community. Tune in for a blend of humor, heart-to-hearts, and a deep dive into the ongoing evolution of LGBTQ acceptance and the human quest for dignity, family, and love.

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Speaker 1:

Hello everyone and welcome back to my Thai wife podcast. I'm Mike and sadly I'm still doing this podcast without my lovely wife Sunari, but Lada is back again. Hello Lada. Hi guys, how are you?

Speaker 2:

doing. I want your new year celebration. I'm doing great. Actually, we didn't celebrate because we didn't have a lot of time.

Speaker 1:

I'm doing great. Sunari had to walk and I just stayed home. You do some celebration, you go somewhere interesting.

Speaker 2:

Yes, I go to the walking tree but I'm not really celebrate because too much people like a million people come in the right time and can't even walk.

Speaker 1:

It was blocked.

Speaker 2:

And then one man spray about like doing some spray like a color spray or like a spider web?

Speaker 1:

on my eyes.

Speaker 2:

Sorry, oh, this ruined my eyes, but I totally understand. They are fun, can?

Speaker 1:

I ask why do you do that?

Speaker 2:

I'm just dancing with one eye, blinding and tearing.

Speaker 1:

You know you can do like pirate. You know you can put one this on your eye. Like pirate, you know you can be pirate lady boy.

Speaker 2:

So I just crossed one eye. So I just crossed one eye and I'm dancing.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, try and this thing. And you didn't go any party, you just went around.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, but too much people really. Oh, in first. I want to go to the some of the Samba, but I cannot get in because I told you we have one million in walking street.

Speaker 1:

Yes, so it's difficult to go inside.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, really difficult to get inside. But yeah, we have fun, like they turn on a big music and then everyone just dancing. It's nice. And then we see about the fireworks together and count three, two, one.

Speaker 1:

And you kiss someone on 12? You have someone to kiss or you kiss the moon.

Speaker 2:

Oh no, I think I'm kid with some lady ass. I'm just sitting and then I get too much pose around. Then sometimes when we call, like when we count out, like three, two, one, everyone is just our, everyone is jump. So I'm falling because I have only one eyes. Oh yeah, and then yeah, I celebrate the new year with the lady ass.

Speaker 1:

I think next time, next year, you have to wear some glasses for nothing out to your eye.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I think he didn't mean to spray on my eyes. It should be taught we, we fun. And then everyone dancing, everyone spread each other, just like her. Just like when you put the gun, the water gun spread to everyone.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:

But it's just directly to my eye.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, but water gun is not dangerous, same this. I think this can make problem for you.

Speaker 2:

I think I'm not sure. Yeah, it's okay, I still have my ass. So I is no problem, but, as is more important, oh, I understand, I want to start this episode.

Speaker 1:

We get we also post everything on all our episodes on YouTube, right, and we get some message on YouTube from someone, some comment. I want to read it for you. Okay, so I will. It's great. Yeah, I will not say the name of the person, but one second I try to find it because I don't know if he want to stay. He don't want, maybe we say his name, right.

Speaker 2:

So one second I just find it Maybe, maybe they want to keep secret. Just read the message. I don't need to read the names.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, this is what I'm doing, I'm just reading the message one second. So he wrote like this Wait, not this one, I went to the wrong one here, this one. So he wrote I am reading to you okay, yes, if a trans girl is taking age RT properly, she's not going to have male pattern boldness. He talking about you, remember, with a? About you can lose hair because you are basically a man, right? Yeah, you say DHT is the cause of boldness. If you are suppressing testosterone with anti Androgyns like Spyro or and the core I don't know this, maybe you know Then that's not going to happen. It certainly is the case in Thailand that has a lot of trans employment Discrimination. Now, he talking about that. That lady boy is not easy for them to get work, right.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

Like I want to do it all the time.

Speaker 2:

I want to see the lady boy in like a cover, a show on Barber shop, on make up at 3 C Affection, but the other shop they they still not really, not really not really well. First some for some job, so you can see most of the lady boy work the same as I at 3 C designer or I'm like a salon or like a cabaret show, something like that.

Speaker 2:

It's very limited, you mean, but I really hope yeah, but I really hope they open more for us because I care, as in knows, lady boy and also LGBTQ. We have like a. We have like a. We have so many inspiration. We have like a so many things in our brain to can release us. We are very good on fashion, on make up a cheese, on many things that can make the world is happy, like you're in to to to to entertainer People, to make the people laughing and, yes, yeah, on the job, they do everything very well as well.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, so one second before you comment about everything, I want to finish to read what he say, okay.

Speaker 2:

Oh, sorry no it's okay.

Speaker 1:

It's okay. Then he say all those things are getting better in the last decade. Sadly, discrimination law is incredibly weak in Thailand. Your observation that he talked about us now that Gays have the same problem as trans woman in terms of reproduction in In is certainly true, but many more trans woman want kid kids, and the type of men they attracted one second more often want Kid than average gay guys. Do this mean that Normally, when someone is have relationship with lady boy, it's more chance that he want baby? You know? That's the difference. Yeah. Then he say my wife is a is a tight trans girl. We have been together now for 22 years. We are married in California, so they are staying in. Yeah, yeah, 22 years already. They're staying in America, if you have. Then he say if you have any question about LGBT in Thailand, just ask 10 you for doing these interviews. The audience is out there. So first of all, we want to thank him for sending us this comment. It's very appreciated.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

And so we understand that he have wife for 22 years already, right, and she's trans girl and she's Thai also. She's lucky. You don't know, maybe he's not a nice man, right? I'm joking, maybe.

Speaker 2:

He's lucky, it's a half her, or maybe they both lucky to meet each other. You know some yeah, we had our. As I told you guys before like to be LGBTQ or to be a gay or lady boy. It's not easy to fire true love, yeah, of course. Many reasons.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I think if they stay for yeah, the first thing, you can not have baby for a man.

Speaker 2:

The second reason about the merit also, some country not allowed to merit and another. Another reason is like it's also about the social. It's also about like the people around him as well, sometimes like the family as well. Maybe he love her, be, they love each other, but they're family or their parents. It's not accept about these things. So it can happen to many lady boys as well, or many LGBTQ as well, yeah, but now they, I see, is I a little bit more, but but not really hundred.

Speaker 1:

It's complicated, but I think if they are staying together for already 22 years, I think they already how. I say that they already pass all the problems. I think they just know how to stay with each other.

Speaker 1:

I think it's beautiful that have couples like this and I want to call them out to say that if they want to be on the post podcast as our guest, we can arrange that. So just send us a message. We will love to have you, me and Lada. We can sit, we can talk with you. I think we have many questions for you guys, right?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that's really awesome, say they're really nice and I am. You spend time together for 22 year in the relationship and I'm so interesting about that because, like, maybe your story can be the very good inspiration for all the lady boys or the LGBTQ it in the relationship, because we we all know that guy is really hard for, for For how to say so, for leave together in in there as our at the LGBTQ Cook couples you know, leave me even as a like it really hard to handle all the problem.

Speaker 2:

Some, some people it can, can pass, oh, all the problems together. But some people like they're broke up because of some some reason. Yes, but I think so many reason.

Speaker 1:

I think it's hard for everyone, also for straight couples, to stay together for such a long time. You know, because when two people yeah to stay together, they have to give up many things in order to stay together, for For it's comfortable for both sides. You know, yeah, and also about he talked about that it's not easy. About Getting a baby and stuff like that. I want to tell you something now in my country have big war. Right, it will be over soon, but even now we have this big war. Last week or two weeks ago, I'm not sure, there was a law that passed. This law is very interesting for the LGBTQ community because it's now a lie. Allow people that are same sex right, like two ladies, two men, or with trans ladies, of course to able to make a baby with Some other people, which mean, like they can take your sperm and put in some lady and then you can get the baby.

Speaker 2:

Right now, it's a lot before they have, yeah, before they have to do that outside. Really good, because our yeah, in Thailand we call um bun.

Speaker 1:

Okay.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, thailand we also have, but our mostly it's like at the normal couple, but our father and also say in, in my country we have a very good new also. Like we, we, we, we are wins about, like what we fight for long, long time. It's about a LGBTQ can and can marry.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like we told me that last night.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, but now it's happened. Yeah, but not not really 100%, but it's very good side already. Okay, everyone, except about this.

Speaker 1:

I think the world is going to a place that is very, very good for everyone, which is accepting people that are different than you. Not everyone is straight or not, everyone is white or not, everyone is whatever, it doesn't matter but accepting other people Right. And I think, if it's happening in Thailand, and it's happening in Israel and in America and, of course, in Europe, it happened long time ago.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I think the world is coming up to every in many country.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I don't think it will be coming to every country soon because some countries are very different culture and religion. But yeah, I think we are going, the world is going to a Good place, you know.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it's like a better place, like Everyone more except about this, and it's gonna be really good for LGBTQ, for living Like you know, it's really hard for living in the world, in our situation and also what we are, but Nowadays I see it's like the world is open up for us, like give us a big hug, give us a warm hug and understand ourselves more than before. And, yeah, it's gonna be like, it's gonna be very good for about the opportunity For, for living and also for marriage, for the family and also for the job as well. Mm-hmm, but it's take time, but it's really good side, because I see, like, and now they, they have many people say we have LGBTQ right, and then the Q is come from queer, yeah, yeah, it means, like some people, that they don't want anyone to call them like you are a man, you are gay, you are a lady boy, you are lesbian, you are a woman.

Speaker 2:

They don't want anyone to to call them what they want to call but so how I need to define them they are themselves.

Speaker 1:

If I meet someone that is Q right, how? How should I refer to him as a man or a lady? What should they call him?

Speaker 2:

We use them, them Okay.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

We use them, okay. So it's a plural yeah.

Speaker 2:

Plural pronouns Okay, yeah, I know it's kind of like a very new thing, but I think some people is like they, they belong to their life and it's our whatever make them happy and it's their life, and they don't want the other people to call or call them yeah, yeah, yeah, or to tell them that you should be this, it should be a man, it should be a lady, you should be lesbian or whatever you are. We call you okay, you are a lady boy. But these kind of people just feel like I am myself. I am me.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yes, but I I've listened to some podcast I don't want to say which one right now because I don't know if this okay with them but they talk about that to many people that are in the them kind of people. They talk about that to many people that are in the them category, as you said before. Are you getting very angry?

Speaker 1:

with someone use Him or she, but I think they have to accept that it's a new thing, right? You not need to be angry, just you need to correct someone. Let's say I make a mistake, right. Let's say you are a queer person, yeah, and I tell you, I talk about you and I say, oh, she's doing that. And if you're getting angry about my mistake, it will not help To fix my mistake, it will just make it Uncomfortable.

Speaker 1:

I think the right choice to do is like saying hey, I'm so sorry, I know maybe you are not familiar, but I will be more comfortable if you call me by this or this pronouns. You know, but not get angry, because it's not easy for everyone to understand that you know. Yeah, yeah, I understand. Like we are things like a most of them. They're not angry. They just want everyone to understand that.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And everyone to understand like now we have this kind of thing, this kind of people in the world and we need to understand them. And also they understand the other people. Well, if the other people going to call them like he or she my mistake, I don't mean they doing that to hurt them.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it's just mistakes.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, but when they show up like I am this, I am queer, and then you need to understand them well, and then, yeah, try to understand them and just not like. Maybe you don't need to like them, you don't need to love them, but shut and Understand it, except like a global, like a Global citizen, like we are humans and everyone deserve to be happy. That's the matter. You are what, the sexual you are. It's like a lady boy, lgbtq or queer or whatever. Yeah, how do you feel?

Speaker 1:

Let's say, when someone Refer to you as a man I'm sure Sometime maybe it happened because some tourists it's the first time they sing A lady boy that does it hurt you. Or you feel that you want to educate them, to explain to them hey, it's okay, you can call me whatever you want, but I'm a lady boy, I'm basically a lady Right.

Speaker 2:

How do you?

Speaker 1:

feel when someone call you.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, when I work, like, for example, as my workplace, like I work in the, like when I'm sitting in the bars, like when the man comes, sometimes we just want to say hi and then some men is okay, some men just say hi back and some men just smile Men buy the drink. But some men just like they're like no lady boy, no, lady boy. But if they talk politely it's okay for us. We understand. Maybe they're looking for women, he's not looking for lady boy, but at least we can be friends. Just like one thing that I hate and I'm not happy it's like a when a man shouting to me so loud to show the other people Like this is lady boy. They don't touch me. I don't like lady boy. I think this thing is very rude For me.

Speaker 2:

It is, but if they say, no, you are lady boy, I'm not angry because I am, yes, not about this situation.

Speaker 1:

Let's say, you're just walking in the street or you're buying something and someone just talk with you and he thinks maybe you are a man and he calls you by a man, but I'm not angry, I'm not angry.

Speaker 2:

I'm not angry anymore. Sometimes it can be hurt, but I grow up like this and I get these situations Many, many times. It's my life, for myself.

Speaker 2:

I can handle that feeling. Sometimes I can. I can't angry, I cannot say how I'm not angry anymore. Sometimes it can happen, but not much. Sometimes it's just like a joke when you go with your friend and then try to talk with some men and then the men say, like you are a man or some things like that, and then it just fell. It just kind of fell and then we laugh things with our friends.

Speaker 2:

So it depends on the context, for example, when I was working in the For example, when I was working in the white shop With my friends and I have my friend from France and we are very good friends. But every time when he saw me he always say Even through, we have so many customers in the shop. He always say hey man, hey man. And how are you man, hey man. I really hate it, but I'm not angry to him.

Speaker 1:

It's just like a joke. Yeah, but this joke.

Speaker 2:

It's just like hey man. How are you man? I want to know.

Speaker 1:

I should say fuck you. I'm sure he wanted. I want to know this. In the same subject. Let's say a lady boy is going with a customer Right. She always tell him she's a lady boy before they go to, or not.

Speaker 2:

Can you repeat the question? Can you repeat the question again?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I cannot hear you. Well, I said, when a lady boy go with a customer, right, she always tell him she's a lady boy before they go to the room, or sometimes she keep it secret and then Maybe, I don't know, she just try to blow him or something like this.

Speaker 2:

I don't know In my experience sometimes I got we have so many kind of a man's I'm any type of a man. Some man can hold Lady Boy hand on the street, walking with her with no shy or no problem, but man don't like to walk with Lady Boy but he like Lady Boy anyway. So sometimes he find Lady Boy on there. You know the standard, my kinder you didn't understand my question.

Speaker 1:

My question is if some ladyboys hide that they're ladyboys from customers because she just want to get money, maybe she can do something with him without her seeing yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sometimes many also.

Speaker 2:

I have many ladyboy friends as well and sometimes you have like a very beautiful, like a lady, everything is like a look like lady, but they're not cut off about the cock yet, right, she'll not have pussy. So she tries to hiding because, like because she takes a lot of lady hormones so it makes her cock very small so she can hiding very well.

Speaker 2:

Yeah maybe she can put like a more stuff to hiding and let the man fuck her ass. Maybe she we do so many things for her, sometimes like, but it's easy for the ladyboy who have a booth because the first thing that are very attractive to a man is a booth if he see a book. Sometimes a man don't know lady or ladyboy, so we all want money when man come to see you and then sometimes if a man not argue lady or ladyboy, we go with the customer and try to hiding as bad as we can. Sometimes we just give him a bro job, sometimes we let him fuck but we turn off the like.

Speaker 1:

I understand. Yeah, because the man can't have a book like a big book you not be scared that maybe if customer know, then have fight. You know something like this.

Speaker 2:

I'm sure it happened before sometimes this can happen, yeah, but, but but not much. They have like a as as as my job, I have many ladyboy, some ladyboy, doing like same we talked before, like they try to hiding and then try to stay like she is lady, not ladyboy, and then try to hide her cock and let a man fuck her ass, or maybe she keep the bro job, maybe she turn on the light but some ladyboy, she like directly tell the man that I am ladyboy, I have big cock, I have cock, my cock strong.

Speaker 2:

If you want, okay. If you don't want, no problem, because she don't want to have any problem later, you understand yes, I understand yeah, I think and some ladyboy that already surgery everything I put, see, have everything. But the big problem, another big problem is on our passport or on our ID card still become a mister, yes, so when you go to the room, if they check?

Speaker 2:

many, many hotel not allow. You know, say, the crazy thing in my country is, like a many hotel not allow ladyboy to go in because, like they put a big bar on the on the receptionist counter, like no ladyboy allows you think most of the hotels like this or just some. I can say many, even through in the club and the bar, because I can say there are so many, many, many bad ladyboy, not many some ladyboy doing some like 5% like still money, like fighting with customer, fighting with the girl.

Speaker 2:

So it's big effect to all the ladyboy the club. Allow ladyboy to get in the hotel, not allow ladyboy to go with the customer in that hotel. So I really had this thing for me. I used to work in our in the hotel for two years. I never do like this because sometimes I go very far away from here to the customer hotel and when I'm alright I go very long way already and when I'm alright, not allow me to go up with the customer, you know.

Speaker 2:

So I lose money, I waste my time this happened to you before with with this very nonsense yeah, when, when I work in the hotel, I just copy the ID or maybe I take her real ID and when she finish with the customer, when she go down or to the customer in the room, like everything okay, you get, check your belonging, everything is okay. If he said everything, okay, all his belonging is in the safety box, nothing lose. So I let the ladyboy go. You know, I understand, it's no problem, you're a lady or ladyboy. Last last two days I just see the post on the news like a lady steal a big money from a man.

Speaker 1:

You see, it's not just what ladyboy do, lady also do yes, I think so it doesn't matter who you are if you are a man, lady, ladyboy, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2:

I think they're bad people and they are good people yeah, it doesn't matter, bad people is bad people, but but the bad things about in my country or in in in this city is like when something bad happened, they always said ladyboy do, ladyboy do. I had this thing. Yes, some ladyboy do, but not off off.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, we talked about it last time. I think it's like five percent bed in each side, five percent ladyboy bed five percent ladybed, five percent man bed. You know I think it doesn't matter, but this happened to you before that you go to a customer far, far away, then hotel not let you in yes, happen many times, many, many times, and I think in my in this city, more than 10 hotel not allowed ladyboy well, in your city have like 100 or 1000, okay you need to pay like 4000 10 000 for a drink to get in I think it's crazy discrimination.

Speaker 1:

I understand. Well, I hope it will. It will not stay like this for a long time, you know. I hope everything is changed and open again.

Speaker 2:

I hope so. Yeah, we all know it can be like this as long as you have some bad lady boy or some bad people's around. You know like they're gonna blame all I don't. I don't know it's, it's our. It's also about the attitude. Yeah, people already put the bad attitude to the little boy already and it's take time to get like a Better recover about this is getting better.

Speaker 1:

I have another question, but it's we better. I have another question for you. This is not about this. I have something else to ask you. Yes, I Know we talked about this off the podcast, when we're not doing the podcast, but I want to do to do this official. I want to know Would you like to be a co-host on this podcast with me, like? This will be our podcast, me and you together across, we can.

Speaker 2:

Yeah you sure it's okay for you?

Speaker 1:

Yeah and I want to know what about the name of the podcast. You want we change the name. We can find interesting name, or we you want we keep the same name. For me it's same same. If you want, we can think about cool name for the new podcast, or we can stay with this name.

Speaker 2:

Maybe we can say with this name first, and then we think about it like if we want to shame, but I think maybe we can change, but I just don't know what. What's a good name?

Speaker 1:

yet it's like, let me think first you can think, for now I can change the name my Thai wife with Lada. You know, just for now, until we find a good name for the pot, why my Thai wife with Lada?

Speaker 2:

No issues, I feel like I am your wife.

Speaker 1:

Oh, I hope my wife not here this. I Hope soon I do not hear this, then she fucking angry for someone else day.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that's why I said it's not the good names.

Speaker 1:

Okay, so can I say, my Thai wife with my friend Lada? Oh, it's still same same, not good. No, no, no no okay, so we need to think of a new name in there. So we need to think about new name for the podcast, right?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, oh no. I Think I don't want food like a name in there. Maybe it's just like another, another name, but not. Not about the person names.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, it's what I mean.

Speaker 2:

Maybe we can change didn't tell what's your wife name, right?

Speaker 1:

Exactly. I mean, maybe we change the name it will not be my Thai wife. Maybe we find another name for the pot.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, maybe another but, but let's take time to think about it. I want to say a good name.

Speaker 1:

Of course, we will find the perfect name and Before we finish this episode, we want to ask you guys I'm sure Lada will agree with me, I know before we said it's not important, but we are seeing the numbers are not so good in the past months. We really need you guys, if you can, to like, subscribe or do whatever you can to help this podcast to go. The best thing you can do for us it's just shared with your friends. Okay, we need to reach more people. I think if you just tell some friends here a buddy, I heard about some cool podcasts Maybe we'd like to listen to it. I think it's it will be a very, very helpful thing for us, because we are trying our best, but we really need your help, our listeners, in order to go this podcast.

Speaker 2:

Or maybe if you guys have any question, you can ask as well. Just leave the question on the comment below.

Speaker 1:

Oh, comment, or they can send emails to us question and what product you want to know.

Speaker 2:

It's about Thailand or about the ladyboy? Whatever that you're interesting or you want to ask, just feel free to ask.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, you can. Even they can email us to my Thai wife, pod, at gmailcom, and we will do our best to answer you and it will be a really really appreciate Any, any, any form of Acceptance, acceptance from you guys. So, thank you very guys. Thank you very much for listening to our podcast today and we hope you hear from us again next week. Lada, you want?

Speaker 2:

to say something bye, bye something Okay, bye, bye, guys. Make sure it doesn't not not well, so I sometimes I don't hear what you say.

Speaker 1:

Oh, okay, thank you, bye.

Speaker 2:

Bye, bye-bye Episode. Yeah, you.